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There are no concerns amongst Canadian Forces Officers of the Cadet Instructors Cadre with regard to the kit that they are issued. As required all are provided the kit suitable for their employment including field clothing for instructors of army and air cadets, and sea going workdress for instructors of sea cadets. There is absolutely no reason for any member of the CF CIC to be improperly turned out for their assigned duty. G. 02 Dec 06

Except maybe for those members who don't fit into normal CF sizes should they not be as fit as real CF officers. :P--Evilbred (talk) 15:44, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are you deliberately trying to be a troll? Members of the CIC are real CF officers. CU L8R AV8R ... J-P (talk) 10:42, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Air Element CIC officers are not issued any combats. Our "work dress" is essentially the cadet uniform without the tunic. While this would work for some PRes and Reg Force members in some positions, it is useless in the woods. There was a brief time where if you went and asked nicely you could get a set of CADPAT "loaned" to you, but those days are now long over unless you are Land Element. Air officers have to basically go out and buy OD surplus if they want combats for use on cadet excercises outside of summer camp duties that require them, since they are provided in that context. Otherwise it is fine so long as you have enough points initially to obtain extra uniform parts if you go to summer training centres as staff. If you are attested and sized initially for uniforms after April of the year, it can be difficult to get enough changes of pants/skirts, and sometimes shirts, if only because they tend to get dirty through mysterious means in the middle of the day at CSTCs as a habit. As well, sometimes finding the pumps (high heeled shoes) as specified in the Dress Regulations is hard since they are not availiable in the supply system, particularily if you have feet that fall outside the range of standard women's shoe sizes. T. Sutherland 01:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"particularily if you have feet that fall outside the range of standard women's shoe sizes" please see my reply above.--Evilbred (talk) 01:44, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Uniforms

This is a current issue that is substantially affecting the CIC.

Ranks

Shouldn't the ranks of the officers be named in order of army/air cadets followed by sea cadets? The sea cadets are only 1/3 of the cadet program. I'm about to change it, but you can revert it if you disagree. Simply talk it out here. --Patar knight 02:29, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ranks should be listed in order of traditional precedence. Sea, Army then Air.CU L8R AV8R ... J-P 15:29, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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JOLC

Looking through the article in the courses section, I noticed that no mention is made of the Junior Officer Leadership Course (JOLC), which can be taken in the place of MOC. Has this set of courses ceased, or is it just not featured on this page?JMesh (talk) 22:32, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the last time JOLC was taught was May 2006.

Found that in cadet-world :

Ref: CRCSO 126/06 CANCELLATION OF JUNIOR OFFICER LEADERSHIP COURSES SEA, LAND AND AIR

1. Effective immediately, the subject courses are cancelled.

2. Additional serials and/or vacancies on the appropriate Military Occupation Courses will be added to offset the loss of training vacancies on the subject courses.

3. As part of the ongoing CIC Change Management Project (CMP) it has been recognized that there is a continuing requirement for a specific set of skills and knowledge for those personnel who fulfil the role of a Platoon/Flight or Division Commander at a Cadet Summer Training Centre. In the near future, those skill sets and knowledge will be provided during the Platoon/Flight/Divisional Officer course that will be a component of the revised CIC Officer Training program.

Vince (talk) 17:00, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Insignia

I added the CIC badge to the info box. Non-free logo. Fair use is detailed on the image page. Jabrwock (talk) 20:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

March past

Recent updates to CATO 14-22 (Marches and calls authorized by the director - history and heritage) Annex A confirm "La feuille d'érable" (The Maple Leaf) as the official march past for the CIC. 71.17.42.29 (talk) 19:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Name Change

This article has a slight situation around it now. The Cadet Instructors Cadre now exists as a branch and a military occupation, but is no longer a sub-component of the reserve force, as it has now been renamed the Cadet Organizations Administration and Training Service (COATS). We need to figure out how to reflect this change appropriately in this and/or other articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JMesh (talk • contribs) 12:40, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Auxiliary Officers"

The term Auxiliary Officers is not appropriate -- all Canadian Forces officers are in the regular or reserve force; there is no auxiliary. Z57N (talk) 14:00, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The user that added that is determined to add that incorrect qualifier to any article about the CCM that they find. It's getting tiresome to have to keep correcting the same material over and over again. CU L8R AV8R ... J-P (talk) 15:27, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wings

Doesn't seem I can change, it, but can we get the part that says navigator wings, changed to ACSO wings, we havn't been Navs for 2 years now. And as for the Army cadet officer being allowed to wear jump wings that they earned as cadets, arn't all CF members authorized to wear them since the course is done at CFLOC to the same standard?

216.208.235.27 (talk) 00:25, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Universality of fitness

This term is actually universality of service. There is a fitness component of it, but there are also skills such as service rifle proficiency, first aid and so on so forth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.208.235.27 (talk) 00:29, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Redaction

As a former Canadian Forces Public Affairs Officer, the redaction of this page is unfortunate. It was a wonderful resource to understand this unique CF Branch and how it serves Canada Sad, that the admins have severely reduced it. 2604:3D08:1580:2D0:6C93:2150:14D6:448A (talk) 14:54, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The material was removed because it was not sourced. Wikipedia's verifiability policy requires that all material added to Wikipedia be supported with citaions from reliable sources. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 20:09, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No doubt all the deleted matter was correct; however, being true is not enough to merit inclusion in Wikipedia. It must be verifiable, and sources must be given. Wikipedia is an encyclopedic summary of information that has been published elsewhere, and preferably published by secondary sources. For example, DND would be considered a primary source for this article, so its documents may be used as sources, but secondary sources like news media are preferred. You must have used sources when writing the article, so to reinstate the material you have to go back and add citations to the sources that you used. Indefatigable (talk) 15:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article has been constructed by dozens of contributors and remained in place for years (decades) without concern. It is disrespectful to all those who contributed to rule that their good faith effort is worthless. 2604:3D08:1580:2D0:1146:696:6477:B0C1 (talk) 06:01, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]