Talk:CD Málaga

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Data and History - This is not fair

Can someone explain me why this club has his data and history separated into two different entries, CD Málaga and Málaga CF, while Fiorentina, which happened to have the very same fate, has everything merged in just one single entry?

I believe CD Málaga and Málaga CF history and data should also be merged into only one entry, being that Málaga CF is just the natural succession of CD Málaga and in the same fashion that ACF Fiorentina is from AC Fiorentina.(Mr Wesker (talk) 09:56, 10 July 2008 (UTC))

Split you the Fiorentina article, Málaga CF not is the sucessor of CD Málaga. If Málaga want be the sucessor of Málaga, firt must be pay the debts of CD Málaga. (Raymond Cruise (talk) 20:26, 23 July 2008 (UTC))

Split it yourself, along with Torino, Palermo, Napoli and Catania which are in the same situation and are doing exactly the same merging, being you the person claiming to split stats. But no, you plain do it here and in nowhere else, for a reason.

We are all the same here in Wikipedia, so if these Wikipedia articles are considering the refounded clubs as "heirs" of previous disappeared ones, merging the stats of both, then this is also the way the stats of CD Málaga and Málaga CF should be. (Mr Wesker (talk) 22:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC))

Málaga CF is the heir of CD Málaga

Maybe it's not a legal recognized succession, but Málaga CF is the natural heir of CD Málaga in almost all ways. Exposition of the reasons follows:

• Málaga CF keeps all signals of identity that CD Málaga previously portrayed. It has exactly the same logo and uses exactly the same colours. It also plays in the same stadium, La Rosaleda and even has the same official anthems, Málaga La Bombonera. All in this club is exactly the same it was before. The only REAL DIFFERENCE is the name, which is Málaga in both of them, but one being Club Deportivo and the other Club de Fútbol, but that's all. If Málaga CF wouldn't be the heir of CD Málaga, it would probably have other different signals in order to have a new identity, but it doesn't, as what the clubs wants is clearly preserve continuity.

• Málaga CF has an association of retired ex-players of the club, which include retired ex-players of CD Málaga. If Málaga CF wouldn't be the heir of CD Málaga, there would be no reason these CD Málaga ex-players would be affiliated in this associated, together with the Málaga CF ones. They are there because Málaga CF is now the heir of what CD Málaga was, which includes its ex-players.

• Málaga CF has the CD Málaga trophies in its display cabinets, and all of them are its property. If Málaga CF wouldn't be the heir of CD Málaga, there would be absolute no reason these trophies would be in Málaga CF display cabinets. They would be anywhere else, but not along Málaga CF ones, because CD Málaga and Málaga CF supposedly not have any relation. But they have.

• Even if some official institutions split the data of CD Málaga and Málaga CF in two separate entries, others institutions as official do merging of the data of CD Málaga and Málaga CF aswell, with absolutely no legal issues given because of the situation. This is the case of ONLAE (Organismo Nacional Loterías y Apuestas del Estado), the official organism which carries the Football pools in Spain (among other things) and which considers CD Málaga and Málaga CF into a sole "Málaga" entry, as stated in its [historical classification] section, in its [history of clubs] section, or in its [history of matches] section.

• And most importantly, as some Fiorentina fan said here in Wikipedia (they share the same situation): "There are no AC Fiorentina fans and ACF Fiorentina fans, there are just Fiorentina fans". It is exactly the same here. There are no CD Málaga fans and Málaga CF fans, there are just Málaga fans. This wouldn't be the case if they would be different clubs with different identity. But they are, and they share it completely.

• And even if this is not directly related to Málaga, there are also other clubs with articles here in Wikipedia, which have had the same fate of disappearing and refunding in their history, and are allowed to have merged all their history (as the former and the new club which acts as heir) in their single respective entries. Some examples are the Spanish clubs Mérida UD and Burgos CF and the Italian clubs U.S. Città di Palermo, S.S.C. Napoli, Torino F.C., Calcio Catania and ACF Fiorentina. In any of these case exist two separate articles doing splitting of the former and the new, heir club.

These are some of the reasons that consider CD Málaga and Málaga CF stats should be in the same article: the one of the actual Málaga CF, as this is the heir of CD Málaga to the eyes of almost everybody. There's no need for a separate article for CD Málaga when you can know everything about it in the article of its heir, Málaga CF. It's just a waste to have this kind of separation of what, maybe not legally, but naturally is the same. (Mr Wesker (talk) 00:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC))

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