Talk:CDJ-1000
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Since there seems to be some infactual presumptions on the discussion, I felt it nice to add a baseline for the Pioneer's release years for the CDJ-products:
- 1994: CDJ-500 (not certain of the year, about two years after the release of Denon's DN-2000F)
- 1998: CDJ-100/CDJ-200
- 2001: CDJ-1000
- 2002: CDJ-800
- 2007: CDJ-400
DiscoNova (talk) 03:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Factual errors and unattributed claims
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I notice several mischaracterizations and/or blatant errors in this article. A few examples:
- it is generally accepted as the first CD player that can accurately emulate a vinyl turntable
- No, the CDJ-800 was the first. This is the third in that series. Arguably, the CDJ-100 was the first, but it depends on if you consider jogwheel to be "like vinyl" (i do not).
- Didn't the Numark cdjs came in first?
- Generally accepted by whom? (see WP:WEASEL)
- For sure: CDJ-1000 (july 2001) was the first player, followed by CDJ-800 in november 2002 Lead nl (talk) 14:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
- I quote the release dates I posted above. CDJ-800 was released after CDJ-1000. And having a jogwheel the size of CD (120mm) as in CDJ-100 is nowhere near the jogwheel of CDJ-1000 (and the feel on CDJ-100's was nowhere near that of the CDJ-1000). DiscoNova (talk) 03:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
- For sure: CDJ-1000 (july 2001) was the first player, followed by CDJ-800 in november 2002 Lead nl (talk) 14:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
- Generally accepted by whom? (see WP:WEASEL)
- Didn't the Numark cdjs came in first?
- No, the CDJ-800 was the first. This is the third in that series. Arguably, the CDJ-100 was the first, but it depends on if you consider jogwheel to be "like vinyl" (i do not).
- The CDJ-1000 has become a standard tool for dance clubs and DJs, and is currently the most widely used DJ-style CD deck.
- No attribution for this claim.
- The common standard is actually the cdj100
- The standard in any major club actually is the cdj1000 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.106.195 (talk) 00:49, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
- No self-respecting major mover in the club industry would punish their DJs with CDJ-100's. CDJ-1000 is The de-facto standard. You only need to go and ask places like Pascha, MoS, or any other similar installment. Reason being that many famed DJs (including, but not limited to, Sasha, Tiësto, Zabiela, etc.) include in their riders the requirement for CDJ-1000 -decks on the venue. DiscoNova (talk) 03:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
- The standard in any major club actually is the cdj1000 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.106.195 (talk) 00:49, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
- The common standard is actually the cdj100
- No attribution for this claim.
- Pioneer also produces the CDJ800 and the CDJ200, which are stripped down versions of the CDJ1000 line.
- I believe the CDJ-800 was the original CDJ. Pioneer later came out with the CDJ-800MK2, and the MK3 became the CDJ-1000.
- i beg to differ, the cdj800 mk2 was released almost the same time as the cdj1000 mk3, both have mp3 playback
- Is this point resolved as I cannot find it in the text anymore Lead nl (talk) 14:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
- Well, the CDJ-200 definetly is not a "stripped down version" of CDJ-1000, because the product predates CDJ-1000 by several years. Also, the CDJ-800 is not a stripped down version as it has comparable set of features to the CDJ-1000... It is only targeted for different audience.
- Is this point resolved as I cannot find it in the text anymore Lead nl (talk) 14:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
- i beg to differ, the cdj800 mk2 was released almost the same time as the cdj1000 mk3, both have mp3 playback
- I believe the CDJ-800 was the original CDJ. Pioneer later came out with the CDJ-800MK2, and the MK3 became the CDJ-1000.
- It includes the master tempo introduced on the earlier 500 & 500s models
- I believe master tempo was first introduced in the CDJ-800 or the CDJ-100.
- nope.. 500s and 500
- Indead for sure, CDJ-500 was the world's first CD player with Master Tempo Lead nl (talk) 14:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
- CDJ-500 was the first Pioneer product to introduce Master Tempo. Denon had Master Tempo around the same time, but without seeing the actual release dates for the products, it is impossible to say which was the first one.
- Indead for sure, CDJ-500 was the world's first CD player with Master Tempo Lead nl (talk) 14:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
At any rate, these are just a few examples that plague this article. Without any sources we have no way of verifying any of these claims. Tags applied. /Blaxthos 11:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Google "cdj1000 industry standard". 98.196.235.150 (talk) 02:53, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
On my opinion, googling "industry standard digital cd turntable" (without the quotes) gives even better idea. This way your query does not contain the item you're looking for (CDJ-1000) still it is the thing you'll be finding from the results.
I think the "factual accuracy disputed" is an erroneous tag. Factual problems raised seem to be based on infactual presumptions by a person who doesn't know the industry. If that were a good enough reason for tagging articles, half the wikipedia's articles'd be tagged that way. However, there are some tiny problems with the article; instead of CDJ-1000, the CDJ-500 was the first widely adopted CD-player in clubs in the early 1990s, with Denon's DN-2000F (and subsequent Marks 2 & 3) having a sligthly lower acceptance due to it being "just" a CD-player with pitch and quick startup time. The Technics's had SL-P1200 in market at the late 1980s, but they were seen more in studios than in clubs - even though it was a nice product for it's time. I also think the article should cite references, so I'm not touching either the tags. DiscoNova (talk) 03:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Technical detail
[edit]Hello. The article has some nice content, but it would be nice to see some more detail here about how the CDJ-1000 actually works. Some technical specifications would be a nice start, but it would be good to have some information about the internal functionality. Any thoughts? Papa November (talk) 13:15, 24 July 2011 (UTC)