Talk:Byakuya Kuchiki

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Were there ever any references to Byakuya's age? --Koudanshi

I don't believe so. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 14:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to add the japanese kanjis to Senkei Senbonzakura Kageyoshi. Becuase I'm only going by what Dattebayo's sub say >_>.

Wouldn't Ukitake being his senpai also make Shunsui Kyōraku his senpai? --123fakestreet

I don't think he meant senpai in the direct meaning of the word, but probably because he used to serve under Ukitake, who taught him (senpai are supposed to teach stuff to kouhai). Can't verify this of course, but your claim can't be verified either AFAIK. -- Ynhockey 20:52, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Neji-Byakuya Comparison

Addressing the reasons it got deleted...personally, I see the change from stopping at nothing to make sure Rukia is executed to saving her life as objective, not speculation per se. Also, I now realise I was wrong about the episode in which they're defeated, but his change of heart towards Rukia is in Episode 61, I believe, which is around Episode 62. SpionKop 21:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

It is not clear that Byakuya ever changed, that is just widely assumed by fans. Byakuya had made an oath to follow the rules, which included the execution of Rukia. However, when it was revealed that Aizen was a traitor and Rukia's execution order was not legitimate, he would no longer be breaking the rules by not seeking to execute her (and by saving her, he'd be protecting the promise to Hisana to protect Rukia). It seems to me that, both before and after his fight with Ichigo, Byakuya basically followed the oaths he made to his parents and Hisana. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 21:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, so not a change in him per se, but certainly a change in his actions and how the viewer/reader is led to characterise him. Even if his actions were guided by promises that he had made prior to the Soul Society arc rather than his own personal feelings, I'm sure Kubo Tite was deliberately trying to change the way the viewer/reader saw Byakuya. So I guess he's different from Neji in a sense, but there's still that parallel. SpionKop 21:38, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

There is a slight parallel, but not worth mentioning. Besides, the two have completely different motives. Neji hates his family, while Byakuya is attempting to display his loyalty to them. --Tjstrf 22:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

It's true they're not completely similar, but a link between Uryuu and Sasuke is mentioned, and I feel as if the link between Neji and Byakuya is in line with that (even though they have different voice actors).

I don't think that connection should really be mentioned either. However, it is much closer in their case, because of the voice actor being the same. Byakuya and Neji are not even the same character archetype. At least Ishida and Sasuke are both varients on the equal rival archetype, though Ishida is a recruited enemy rather than a turned friend. --Tjstrf 22:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Senbonzakura vs. Zenbonsakura

I've noticed that some translations, the letters are swapped around so it reads 'Zenbonsakura' instead of 'Senbonzakura' Is there really much difference? RedEyesMetal 10:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I've seen that before as well. It does have the word part "Sakura" when swapped like that, which is nice. I always thought "Senbonsakura" made the most sense personally, why make it a Z one place and an S the other? --tjstrf 16:01, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Senbonzakura is the only correct writing. Anything else is wrong. A kanji cannot deviate from its original reading at the start of a word, therefore, Zenbonzakura cannot be correct in any way. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 10:31, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Not an expert at Japanese, but it's possible that "zakura" is the masculine form of "sakura." Baiseru 20:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

No. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 20:42, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

What happens often when one kanji or element in multi-kanji compounds follows one preceding it is an inflection. It can be a bit complicated to explain... The "za" in "senbonzakura" is part of the second set of sounds of the "sa" 'family' of the Nihongo 'alphabet' (sa, shi/si, su, se, so; (inflected) za, ji, zu, ze, zo). So this adds on to what Ynhockey was saying before about "the correct spelling of Senbonzakura". Juunannio 13:29, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. There are other examples in Bleach as well, especially in zanpakuto names. 天譴 is Tenken alone, but when coupled with other kanji it becomes Tengen. Another is in the word "Shinigami" itself; in theory, it should be "shini-kami," but it gets changed to a G. Suigetsu 01:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

its based on a japanese play and is a man (yoshitsune) and the 1000 cherry trees - Senbon Zakura written in 1747 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.2.4 (talk) 03:01, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Too many images.

Could someone explain why we need 5 images of Byakuya, 3 of which only illustrate different bankai techniques? We only use 5 pictures to illustrate the entire main Bleach page. This has been bugging me for a while now. The current format is particularly horrid and makes the text into some sort of weird stair-step arrangement. --tjstrf talk 03:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC) -I'm guessing it's just an overzealous fan who's having a sugar rush. lol.

Actually I don't oppose having an image for each bankai technique, although the shikai image sucks. A good article illustrates in pictures what is difficult to understand with words, and IMO this applies to the various techniques. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 10:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

How hard is it to explain the techniques, really? The shikai makes a bunch of tiny flying blades. The bankai makes a bunch of tiny flying blades. The bankai special techniques make a bunch of large flying blades and wings, respectively. Compared with something like explaining what the kurohitsugi does, it's very simple. --tjstrf talk 10:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

You mean like making a black box around someone, then making black spears inside said box, then dispelling said box/spears, revealing a giant bleeding dog? Suigetsu 01:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Headpiece

If I recall in the manga vol. 4, Byakuya's headpiece are supposedly metal tubes that denotes nobility not white. or maybe I'm just nitpicking.

Final Release Kanji?

I get a bit confused with the name of his second final release "Senkei" read as 殲景. Annihilation is usually read as "せんめつ" though isn't it? Wikifried 17:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

せんめつ isn't kanji Suigetsu 23:34, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Bit of Trivia

This is the first trivia item: "During the Soul Society Arc, when Jūshirō Ukitake asks who Ichigo is, Byakuya replies: "No relation. At least, not to the man who just flashed through your mind, my senior." This could be a reference to Ichigo's father, Isshin Kurosaki, implying Byakuya not only knew the man, but disbelieves that he and Ichigo are related."

I think it's way more likely that the reference is to Kaien, who was Ukitake's lieutenant.

I agree, because several characters mention that Ichigo looks alot like Kaien. Temari of Suna 19:53, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

It is. Only a moron couldn't see that other than a different hairstyle and color as well as Ichigo's face being a little sharper toned. They look alot alike. Which could've been used as a defense of Rukia giving him her powers...flimsy..but if they'd known the central 46 were dead it might've passed.--74.131.138.130 (talk) 23:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Line

Hisana died about 50 years prior to the Bleach storyline and her last wish was for Byakuya to find and adopt her biological sister, Rukia, whom she had abandoned as a baby since she was unable to care for both herself and Rukia.

This entire line seems confusing to me. Can someone clarify? Lord Sesshomaru

55 Years Ago - Byakuya and Hisana get married

50 Years Ago - Hisana croaks, asks Byakuya to find Rukia

40 Yeas Ago - Rukia and Renji enter academy

39-30 Years Ago - Whole mess with Hollows that can turn off spiritual pressure with Renji (Rukia was still with him and sleeping in trees at the academy, so she wasn't adopted then)

39-30 Years Ago - Rukia adopted by Kuchiki family

Byakuya vs Ichigo, Ichigo weakening revert war

Well, it seems that there is a bit of a revert war going on, clearly started by myself changing the information regarding what caused Ichigo to become slower during the course of his fight with Byakuya. The original version stated that it was caused by exhaustion, however if you watch http://youtube.com/watch?v=yQsAzLoMCGE beginning at 3:40, Ichigo's Inner Hollow says, "You really do suck at this, Ichigo! You got beaten by your Bankai's reiatsu (spirit pressure), cracking the bones throughout your body." So I corrected this. Any arguments?

Yea, you are correct. We just want to say it breaks his bones because of his reaitsu. Finished.--Hanaichi 04:10, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Didn't he...

I thought Byakuya mentioned during his battle with Ichigo that he was only the second person who saw his bankai's first extra form. Who was the other? Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 19:36, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Never said. It wasn't Renji though, because Renji got chopped to pieces before Byakuya use senkei. Maybe it was at the captains test where the captain to be had to show his bankai? Speculation though. --Hanaichi 08:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

He uses the blades that are formed during senkei against Renji, though he never refers to it as such nor are there nearly as many. ~SnapperTo 20:46, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Those seem more like several of the blades push together into a sword. There are still some left, however, as the simply tiny blades, and Renji could still move, so I think it's safe to conclude that it's the original bankai. And read the Englsih manga, Byakuya;s exact words were "You are only the second person... *new balloon* ...ever to see it.", to which Ichigo responds "I feel special.". Also, I just realized while reading through it, the English translation is "Senbon Zakura", two words, not one. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 20:42, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Isn't the whole idea behind senkei basically several of the blades being pushed together into a sword? ~SnapperTo 21:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Yea. More like 1000 tiny Senbonzakura petal blade thingies compressed into a sword. Remember, his bankai uses 2 rows of hude swords, scatter them, so evidently you have millions of uncountable petals.(Bleh, what am I saying? Saying millions when I also said uncountable lol) --Hanaichi 09:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, what about him. I mean he's not Tosen, so he would be the other person to see Senkei —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalraptor (talk • contribs) 20:08, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Byakuya said during his fight with Ichigo that it is a million tiny blades (though how all that is one million I don't know). Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 23:10, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

During the fight with Renji he said they were uncountable right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.223.190.71 (talk) 16:34, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

He was probably just being dramatic.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 18:35, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

If you has a couple million, probably closing in on a billion blades only about an inch long, spinning around you incredibly fast, I think you would call them uncountable rather than look at each individual one. I doubt even Byakuya even knows an exact number.

I dont know, he might actually cut his hair with them, nobility are always eccentric. however perhaps the second person to ever see them line was put in to make us wonder exactly that. it can probably be guessed that they didnt survive however as thats a brutal technique.--74.131.138.130 (talk) 00:01, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

No, I'm fairly certain that was a Byakuya Joke. As he mentions in another that his family has its own personal barber. I guess what with the people trying to murder nobility if you're going to have someone touching your head with sharp instruments you better be REALLY familiar with them. --74.131.48.213 (talk) 13:57, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Back to the topic of who he used it on first, it's likely someone or something that led to Hisana's death. Maybe a hollow. Whatever. Suigetsu 01:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Captain's Haori

In episodes 16 and 17, Byakuya doesn't wear his haori, which episode does he start? I assume it would be after he is among the other captains and Kubo came up with the captain's haori. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalraptor (talk • contribs) 20:15, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Probably didn't bother putting it on, neither he nor Renji were expecting to have to fight two guys on their way to Rukia. Suigetsu 01:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Yoruichi's Technique

Why was the sentence about Byakuya using Yoruichi's technique "Onmitsu - 3rd Way of the Shihou: Utsusemi" removed instead of included somewhere alongside his abilities? (He uses this move in Chapter 299 page 17) AnimeNikkaJamal (talk) 03:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

You might want to re-read tbe Powers-section -Twsl (talk) 11:30, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Concerning Byakuya's bankai in Chapter 301

Perhaps this is a mistake on the translators' part, or perhaps not, but in Chapter 301, page 22, Byakuya seems to use a new bankai technique, similar to senkei or shukei. Byakuya says "Goukei Senbonzakura Kageyoshi", which does not fall under any existing bankai form he has. The effect looks like all the blades explode outwards violently, destroying the tower they are in. Any ideas about what it is? Kyouraku-taichou (talk) 17:33, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

If anything I think it's just a name of a technique to go along with Scatter, as the blades sepeated normally, and then exploded and apparently imploded too as Zomari looked like he was about to be killed. I think we need to wait until the next chapter to see the exact effects before we write anything about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.28.221 (talk) 18:56, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

It looks like a new ability of his bankai... the kei in Goukei is "scene" just like senkei and shukei.

Isn't Senkei really the second form of Senbonzakura Kageyoshi, with the first form really being a larger form of his Shikai? In Gokei it seemed that the blades all merged together to form a cohesive sphere followed by the inevitable implosion of the blades, so I'd say it's probably a form by itself.GreatMizuti 12:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

It would seem it's something he uses the first stage to create. Those swords are really formed with all the tiny blades, so it's not necessarily a different form. It's akin to what he did in his fight with Ichigo, where he surrounded their battlefield with those floaty pink swords, so if that counts as a new form, then Gokei should too.StardustDragon (talk) 18:16, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Synopsis too long

We don't need to have details of every single action taken by Byakuya in the recent chapters. Just summaries of the major inputs are fine, since this is not supposed to be a description of what happens in each chapter.

Canonicity of DiamondDust

When we cite Diamonddust, particularly when referring to Senkei's ability to block Cero, should we mention its dubious canonicity. Is there a policy regarding this. Stargate70 (talk) 20:35, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Claims of canon or non-canon do not belong on Wikipedia. The most that can be said about things of questionable authenticity is in what media forms they are true. In this case something like "In the DiamondDust Rebellion Byakuya's senkei is shown capable of blocking cero attacks" would be acceptable/preferable. ~SnapperTo 22:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

byakuya vs zommari

"After a quick clash using their speed, in which Byakuya is proven superior"

Umm, what? Byakuya wasn't anywhere near superior. He was on the defensive most of the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.86.225 (talk) 13:13, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

That's because he wasn't making an active attempt to be superior. During the last portion of their speed standoff, Byakuya eludes Zommari by using a technique he learned from Yoruichi. He's the faster of the two. ~SnapperTo 18:45, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Translation of "Kageyoshi"?

Just curious about this...I'm wondering how 景厳 has been translated as "Vibrant Display"?

If we assume Byakkun's blade is named after the play Yoshitsune, and we assume that "Kageyoshi" then comes from the historical Futokorojima Kageyoshi who was involved with the setting up of the Kamakura Bakufu and the Minamoto Hachiman shrine in the 1190s, then the weird reading of the kanji is explained...

Kubo hasn't used the same kanji as the historical Kageyoshi,(which is 景能), so I'm not definite that that's the intended connection. However, whether it is or it isn't, the second kanji of Byakuya's zanpakutou Bankai normally means "strict" "severe" or "rigid". I've never heard of it being used to mean "vibrant", so am curious as to where that came from? Etherella (talk) 20:38, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

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