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Buzz Feiten is amazing! Try and listen to "Panda's Dream" by Dave Weckl Band.

I added chapter headings. Still need an info box and photo.

This article needs a lot of work; it has no references and is hardly NPOV. I admit I don't know where to get the refs needed, and I'm reluctant to start chopping. The Butterfield period needs more information. As the heir to Mike Bloomfield and Elvin Bishop, not to mention playing Woodstock in '69, Feiten's place in popular music history is substantial: I'm thinking the priority should be 'Mid'. Jusdafax (talk) 22:17, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What is meant by "Brother" in "Brother Gene Dinwiddie on tenor saxophone" this either needs changing or to be better explained as I have no clue I came here looking at his invention that led up to the Garrison Guitar (well the tuning etc) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ur-loki (talk • contribs) 17:14, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Birth date?

What about the basic date of birth? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.49.29 (talk) 21:23, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Supplied it ... thanks! 64.222.122.164 (talk) 13:55, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Split out the discography

The discography makes up the majority of this article, even though it's only partial. Why not split it out into a separate article, similar to what was done with Steve Lukather and Steve Lukather discography? That way, this article will be focused on his history and accomplishments, while the discography can be expanded into as close to completeness as possible, all without having this article be dominated by the list-style content. Regards, Nettrom (talk) 13:44, 16 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

With no objections to the split, it has now been completed. The majority of the discography was moved to Buzz Feiten discography. Nettrom (talk) 11:54, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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dial down the hype

While Feiten has inarguably had quite a remarkable career, it's difficult to go twenty words in this article without tripping over some unattributed gushy superlative.

as a young-adult player, Feiten achieved musicians' musician status in 1971

Can someone make this look more like an encyclopedia entry than a c.v. pasted in by his management agency?
Weeb Dingle (talk) 15:49, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Despite some much-needed cuts, the article still resembles a promo sheet. For starters, most of the Career section ought to go UNLESS it points to the source(s) for the fits of name-dropping — if the list exists elsewhere there's no need to repeat it all here, and if it DOESN'T exist then it definitely has no place here because it's not notable.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 20:02, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a GREAT reason to eliminate all that hype: Buzz Feiten discography. All the fancruft should go there.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 20:08, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jazz musicians and studio musicians play with many people during their lives, one job to the next, one album to the next. Like most businesses, the music business emphasizes change and flux, so it's common to have a list of names in the articles of certain musicians and nearly all jazz articles. It's usually not name dropping. But all information has to be sourced.
Vmavanti (talk) 01:45, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well… nah, not really. Compare to Tommy Tedesco who (IME) had a MUCH more impressive career. There, the name-drop occurs in two consecutive sentences, and thus is at least over quickly. Here, it drags on & on, & it's like trying to kill cockroaches. Besides, as previously noted, anyone who cares in the least can go to Buzz Feiten discography.

Basically, it's a notability thing: anyone who wants to post their c.v. online can readily do so on their own damn site or that of their fanclub, and therefore it doesn't really have a place in Wikipedia. If they don't have a fanclub (or a website), then the info IS NOT notable enough to be in Wikipedia.

I'm going to remove the he played bass guitar for Jimi Hendrix and B. B. King claim because

there's no supporting source for such a grand statement
"played for" desperately needs to be clarified. Compare: when Fleetwood Mac recorded "Tusk" with the Trojan Marching Band, each & every one of those kids can validly claimed "I once played for Fleetwood Mac" which is true in context but otherwise absurd. As a Hot Tuna fan, I have recordings of Jack Casady jamming with Jimi Hendrix, and Jorma Kaukonen playing acoustic guitar behind Janis Joplin but such one-off events DO NOT indicate that they truly "worked together."

Any other "played with" claims that do not offer a credible source are hereby challenged and (after a suitable waiting period) anyone should feel free to remove them.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 16:45, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not interested in comparing musicians based on how "impressive" their careers are. Those are thoughts I don't have except in the context of notability, and there what strikes me isn't so much unimpressiveness as obscurity. I try to avoid value judgments. Regardless, I don't know if you have something personal against Buzz Feiten. I know v. little about him. You've spent a lot of time complaining about hype here when the same complaint could be made about articles all over Wikipedia. I have little tolerance for promotion, autobiography, or anyone posting their CV on Wikipedia. But this is one of those times when it helps to know something about jazz. To repeat what I've said, these lists you see are usually not name dropping. What's sourced ought not to be deleted. Have you checked the sources? It's fair to say "played for" is too vague. That's not phrasing I would use. In jazz I list names when a musician has performed with or recorded with another musician. I use "worked with", and it has nothing to do with how great someone is. If a person played guitar with Hendrix or King, and it's sourced, then it's a fact.
Vmavanti (talk) 18:40, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

the "Buzz Feiten Guitars" section

The description of Feiten's commercial ventures needs proper update. This cannot be left hanging, referring only to a cheery press release on a defunct company's defunct website.

Follows some assistance.

The Wayback Machine finds buzzfeitenguitars.com very early in 2011, then nothing at all until 27 May 2013. This site remained live only to 06 Apr 2016 -- http://web.archive.org/web/20160406163235/http://www.buzzfeitenguitars.com:80/ -- since which calls have been redirected, to buzzfeitenofficial.com.

That latter site appears to have only existed from April 2016 through October 2016. Calls presently get a blank Squarespace "This account has expired. If you are the site owner, click below to login." page.

"Buzz Feiten Guitars — The Ultimate Guitars, For Serious Players!"

publisher=Buzzfeitenguitars.com

date= |accessdate=2015-11-04

Gah.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 16:36, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Things have finally been pushed along, apparently.

The site buzzfeiten.com is entirely for flogging the BFTS.
Meanwhile, the very recent buzzfeitenofficial.com is dedicated to Feiten SuperNova guitars.
And buzzfeitenguitars.com now redirects properly to buzzfeitenofficial.com

Weeb Dingle (talk) 15:26, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What do you have against this person? Is this someone you know? Your comments suggest a bias.
Vmavanti (talk) 18:36, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you hate Feiten so much that you criticize my criticism rather than doing something to fix the (readily apparent) problems?

Last I checked, Wikipedia is not a place for corporate promotion, or a place for self-promotion, or a fansite. This article resembled all three rolled together, for instance pointing to defunct websites. And one common problem with fansite-toned stuffing on W'pedia is that fans are great at packing in data (sometimes repeating the same factoid three or more times) but truly lousy at maintenance, so years-outdated info regularly persists phrased in an eternal present tense while current reality is ignored, and that's really not very encyclopedic.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 05:37, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hype versus not hype

An editor deleted Feiten playing with BB King and Jimi Hendrix. Was this information sourced? If it occurs in a reliable source, it isn't hype.
Vmavanti (talk) 18:04, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As previously stated,

there's no supporting source for such a grand statement

If an interview mentions claims made by a subject, that does not substantiate the claims as fact.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 23:02, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary 'explanation request' removal

I removed the further explanation request on equal temperament as it would be outside the scope of the article (the article is about Feiten, not tuning) and the hyperlink already points to the explanation. THX1136 (talk) 22:41, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]