Talk:Bushmaster XM-15/Archive 1

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Beltway reference irrelevant

I have removed the reference to the beltway "sniper" killings and removed the disputed tag. the xm-15 comes in more than one cartidge and can be converted to more than half a dozen others. the m16 family of rifles is based on the ar-15. the xm-15 is based on the ar-15. yes, the xm-15 utilizes advancements made in the development of the m16/m4 such as m4 feed ramps, the rapidex sight, heavy buffer, etc. it is not a machine gun. there is no reason to compare this to a machine gun. -nitrogensixteen

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitrogensixteen (talk • contribs) 22:36, 9 May 2005‎ (UTC)

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• copied from User talk:Felsic2

I've switched the user manual over to a mirror site (Stevespages.com) because the link you used just gave me a page not found and I couldn't find the 1999 manual revision you used on Bushmaster's site. Also, the link you provided for the lawsuit shows it wasn't really about the gun so much as the dealer; looking into it, the actual allegation was that the gun store, Bull's Eye Shooter Supply, was extremely dodgy (missing paperwork for around 200 firearms, including the one used in the attacks) and that Bushmaster should have realised that and stopped supplying them. While the ATF / BATFE did find that Bull's Eye Shooter Supply was catastrophically poorly run and revoked the owner Brian Borgelt's Federal Firearms License, the actual lawsuit was settled out of court for $2.5 million (which Bushmaster only paid a fifth of), so it's not correct to say Bushmaster was found negligent. Herr Gruber (talk) 17:06, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Now on the other hand, you do actually have one here, the State of Connecticut banned the entire XM-15 series by name after Sandy Hook. Along with just about every other gun there is (100+ firearms added to a list of "assault weapons" that includes a line of thirty-pound sniper rifles nobody has ever used to assault anything), but the XM-15 ban was at least related to something that happened before it and statements to that effect can be sourced. That said, be cautious in how you go about asserting a direct link, such a sections should be primarily about the ban, not the shooting (ie, "legality" rather than "use in shootings"), note that "according to X" it was in reaction to the shooting rather than stating this directly, and note that it was one of over a hundred weapons added to the state AWB named weapons list by the bill in question to give a proper sense of context. Herr Gruber (talk) 18:03, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Also the current sales catalog which I've sourced refers to the weapon as the "XM-15," so that seems to be the new official styling of the name. Looks like they've dropped a bunch of models from their lineup (XM15-E2S seems to have been dropped completely, hence I'm sticking with the no-hyphen version for that one), I'll have to look into that further. Also I don't think the Carbon 15 line is a derivative (unless the aluminium upper it now uses is an XM-15 one) since it was originally developed by a completely different company. Herr Gruber (talk) 18:58, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with this article. Posts about the article are best kept on the article's own tak page, so other editors can see them. If you don't mind, I'll copy these there. Felsic2 (talk) 14:34, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Also, one thing you might want to know re: names is that "patrolman" is related to "patrol carbine" which is the US police's preferred euphemism for "assault rifle." US police try to avoid the word in general, SWAT was originally pitched as "Special Weapons Assault Team" but got changed to "...And Tactics" to sell it to Congress. Herr Gruber (talk) 20:14, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Dissipator

Bushmaster has called some of their XM-15 rifles "Dissipators". According to this website, "A “dissipator” or “dissy” is an AR-15 with a 16″ barrel but with rifle length front sight post." And "Bushmaster came out with the first civilian AR-15’s actually called the Dissipator which had shaved-down gas blocks at the normal carbine length and then a “dummy” A2 sight block up in front at the rifle position." I see it included in the name of some of their products, as they appear in buying guides, etc.[1] Particularly the "Bushmaster XM15 E2S Dissipator Carbine". Are thse sources incorrect? If not, let's include a mention of the "Dissipator" variants. Felsic2 (talk) 22:38, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

From what I can tell (and I'll admit I thought exactly the same as you to begin with, that it was a specific version), per the first source especially, "Dissipator" is actually a barrel configuration (carbine gas block location with rifle front sight location, using a full-length handguard; this source states that if it doesn't have the Dissipator handguard then it's an E2S "Shorty," which I assume means any full-length handguard) rather than a complete firearm; you'll notice here there's a Dissipator upper that can be put on any lower. So an "XM15 E2S Dissipator Carbine" is an E2S receiver with a Dissipator Carbine barrel. I'm trying to find some sources for a suitable way to cover it, but I removed it from the list of specific variants because from what I can tell any AR15 can be fitted with a Dissipator Carbine barrel. It certainly is something that originated in the XM15 series and should be covered (obviously I'm not trying to pretend it doesn't exist since I switched the page image to one with a Dissipator barrel), there just isn't a place to put it in the article as it currently stands.

(The page image is also a hilarious tacticool gun with an M203 handguard because if there's one thing you want when you're tactically operating it's an enormous hole in the bottom of the handguard) Herr Gruber (talk) 16:32, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I'm guessing that when they sell an XM-15 with the Dissipator barrel configuration they call it an "XM-15 Dissipator". AR-15 pattern rifles are famously modular, so many combinations are possible. Perhaps it's time to add a fuller list of variants, with descriptions. That's standard for other firearms. That'd give a location to include a sentence defining "dissipator", or at least clarifying the situation if a good surce can be found. It'd make room for some illustrations too. Felsic2 (talk) 00:02, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

If there's nothing else I'm going to restore "Dissipator" to the relevant product name. While it'd be good to have a sourced explanation of the term "dissipator", in the meantime we do have multiple sources saying that's the name that Bushmaster used. Felsic2 (talk) 17:07, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Um, you can't really do that since our sources that go into detail on version differences are saying it's a type of barrel. Probably needs more research and a proper section added regarding the specific features of the XM15 lineup that make them XM15s and not something else, which would include the barrels offered with them. As said, at present I can't even say for sure that Bushmaster is the only company that makes a Dissipator barrel, or if theirs was the first, so anything we say at present is likely to be wrong. Herr Gruber (talk) 06:27, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

We have clear sources which say that's what Bushmaster called the weapon. Yes, there's also a poor source which gives a possible background on the term. It does not say that the name is incorrect. Let's follow the sources, not our beliefs. Felsic2 (talk) 14:35, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

As I suggested before, adding more details on the variants, which is apparently standard in gun articles, would give us space to include more information on various models and their names. Felsic2 (talk) 15:39, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

The thing is, several sources list E2S and E2S Dissipator separately, so one is a subtype of the other; hence, listing E2S covers both. Now, there's a nice article here which states that not only is Dissipator a type of barrel (carbine gas block with fake rifle gas block so it can mount a 12-inch handguard on a 16-inch barrel with a standard AR front sight) but that they're offered by other manufacturers (Spike’s Tactical, Palmetto State Armory, ADCO Firearms, Del-Ton, etc; DPMS apparently make "fake" "Dissipator-style" barrels that are just 20-inch barrels cut down to 16 inches with the real gas block up front). Bushmaster did invent the concept (and it may well be associated with their lineup), but it's a type of barrel, not just a type of gun. From what I can get from Guns Illustrated 2011, "E2S" is their line of superlight carbines, which also includes a "shorty" version and one with an AK muzzle brake welded to the barrel for no apparent reason. If you book-search for Bushmaster E2S rather than E2S Dissipator you'll find quite a few that detail other E2S variants or just a vanilla E2S. Lanza's XM-15 E2S did not have a Dissipator barrel, it had a shorter carbine handguard, and you can find plenty of sources that just call that one an E2S.

Notice you can see a "step" in the barrel of Lanza's rifle in front of the front sight, and the same with the Beltway gun: this is part of the M4 carbine barrel configuration (the civilian version is just 16 inch instead of 14.5 because of SBR definitions) and is actually for attaching the front end of an M203A1 grenade launcher. If a Dissipator barrel includes this step at all it's under the handguard where the real gas block is (and useless because it's got a gas block attached to it already), not way up in front. The only criminal use of an E2S with a Dissipator barrel that I know of was North Hollywood, where Mătăsăreanu's illegally converted fullauto E2S had one.

At present we need more detail on just what the rifle in question actually is. Adding things we're not sure are true because we think the sources support them isn't really helpful. I'm currently finding everything from E2S being a superlight model to "Bushmaster just marks every single lower they make with "XM15-E2S" regardless of model," so this might take a while. Also some discussion that the "Bushmaster" brand reflects weapons from two designers, their better, old rifles from their plant in Maine that became Windham Weaponry after it was shut down, and newer rifles made by Remington after their acquisition by Freedom Group (which would explain how the families from Sandy Hook are suing Remington), so it looks like this is going to be complicated. Apparently this kind of relationship is pretty common: Smith & Wesson ARs are actually made by Stag Arms, while Stag's parent company Continental Machine and Tool does machining for AR receivers for companies like Rock River Arms. Herr Gruber (talk) 06:08, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm not gonna read that long message. The sources say that one of the Bushmaster XM15's is a Dissipator model. We can list them separately, that's fine. But don't delete it just because you're confused about why they use that name. Felsic2 (talk) 20:52, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

If you're not going to even pretend to have a discussion about this then you shouldn't really be surprised that you don't get your own way. As noted, the sources identify "E2S" as the superfamily of models, which the E2S Dissipator is part of. Why mention that one but not the E2S Shorty or E2S Shorty AK? Why are we summarising every other series but pulling a specific model from that one? Herr Gruber (talk) 21:19, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for filling out the variants section. It was overdue. Felsic2 (talk) 22:19, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Beltway sniper

There are hundred, if not thousands, or references to the use of a Bushmast XM15 by the Beltway sniper.[2] That includes hundreds of references in books.[3] We can't just pretend that history doesn't exist. Felsic2 (talk) 14:38, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

That's great, but we need to describe what this device actually is before we get to that. Currently that section is disproportionately large compared to everything else, and if you want the full thing there we first need to work on telling the reader what this thing is and what the history of the gun itself is. Also, you are misquoting your own source; Bull's Eye did not lose the lawsuit, they settled. Bushmaster paid $500,000 and they paid $2 million, the thing Bull's Eye lost was an ATF review that removed the owner's FFL dealer license.

Also, a lot of those sources don't mention the XM-15 by name, only Bushmaster. You might want to narrow your google searches a little, "beltway "bushmaster XM-15"" only gets ten pages of results with three on the first page being Wikipedia and one of them this talk page (by contrast "lanza "bushmaster XM-15" gets thirty pages; with omitted results included, the numbers rise to 17 (the same as searching with "North Hollywood" gets without omitted results) and 58 pages; I'd say that's fair proof of an increase in notoriety from Lanza but not so much from Beltway). Adding "XM15" to your book search turns "hundreds of books" into twelve, most of them obvious gun control advocacy and one a bonkers conspiracy piece about Obama mind-controlling people. Herr Gruber (talk) 05:54, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add more info. No one is stopping you. In fact, I've encouraged it. If you'd like me to start adding specific sources to show the sheer numbers, I'll do that. How many sources does it take to satisfy you? Please give me a firm number so we don't have to waste time sdancing around the issue. Felsic2 (talk) 20:55, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

From my google searches "notoriety increased" is a dubious claim since it doesn't seem it was any more notorious after Beltway than it was after North Hollywood. Sandy Hook increased it threefold, Beltway, um, no-fold. Many Beltway-related sources just call it a "Bushmaster rifle," meaning that the company's notoriety increased but not the rifle's. Herr Gruber (talk) 21:20, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Again, please give me an objective metric that we can use to decide if there was an increase in notoriety. Felsic2 (talk) 22:20, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Well, is there one? I've tried googling which suggests there wasn't (and also made google briefly block me because it thought I was a robot :( ) and the sources dramatically decrease when you demand the actual model be present in them, which would be required for showing an increase in notoriety for the weapon rather than the manufacturer. Do you have any ideas? Herr Gruber (talk) 22:25, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

To say that the shooter used a "Bushmaster" instead of "Bushmaster XMES2 Dissipator", or some such, is needlessly wikilawyering. So, you're saying that there is no objective measure, and, by extension, that it's likely that no matter what evidence I provide it won't be sufficient. In other words, that part of the style page is a dead letter. Am I summarizing that correctly? Felsic2 (talk) 23:03, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

No, it's not wikilawering, it's how you evaluate sources. If the name of the weapon isn't being used, it hasn't become more notorious. Also would you please calm down? I asked you if you had any ideas since I've presented my evidence already. Herr Gruber (talk) 23:09, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

So when Kennedy was shot, if the gun was simply called a "Carcano" in some sources they wouldn't count? Yes, that sounds like wikilawyering to me. But I tell you what, I'll start adding some sources on this page. Once I get past 10 high quality sources which connect the Bushmaster XM-15 to the Beltway sniper shootings, I'll restore the material. If it's deleted again after that I'll ask for dispute resolution. Felsic2 (talk) 23:22, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Um, no, because Carcano is the name of the gun. If it were just called a "Mannlicher rifle," it wouldn't count. As a better example, a source saying "Clint Eastwood is famous for using a Colt 45" wouldn't be good for saying he was famous for using a Single Action Army, since that description could apply to anything from an M1911 to a Thompson. Also, spamming sources is not how you get things done here: the fact that some sources say it was used does not by itself establish an "increase in notoriety:" citing a series of sources and claiming the sources show a pattern without a source that actually asserts this fact is original research. What you need is sources that say the weapon specifically "became notorious" after Beltway (and not after Beltway and Sandy Hook) or "is notorious" for being used in that specific attack. I can only find one source that makes such a claim from a quick Google search, and it's a Violence Policy Center press release from 2003; VPC is hardly a disinterested third party for establishing the veracity of such a claim. In fact, more of the sources that come up searching "XM15 notorious beltway" mention the shooters' car, the "blue Caprice," as the thing that was notorious.

(Yes, I'm a little late realising that's the case, but that's how the OR rules, specifically WP:SYNTH, work and so that's what we need here; nothing we can do can establish notoriety, we need someone else to have done it).

Even if it that weren't the case, that section would be UNDUE with the article in its current state, we need to work together on making a whole article, not just jump to the part you want to do. Insulting and threatening people is also not how you get things done here. You've been extremely unpleasant to me today while I've been nothing but polite, maybe you should take a break. I mean I know what it's like to be in a bad mood, it was foully hot those days I was being an asshole to you, but we're not going to get anywhere while you're trying to bulldoze your edits through every objection and TL:DR'ing me. Herr Gruber (talk) 23:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

I don't object to expanding the article. I've encouraged it. But we can't hold hostage progress in one part of the article while we wait for someone else to write more about the firearms specifications or other material, most of which doesn't appear in the best quality sources anyway. If you're concerned about undue weight then we can shorten the discussion of the lawsuit.

I'm not "bulldozing". I'm discussing edits and offering compromises. But if we're making accusations, maybe accusing me of "TL:DR'ing me" isn't on point - you've writtn many long responses on various pages. Can you tell me what the best way is to deal with an editor who stonewalls improvements? Felsic2 (talk) 15:45, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

UNDUE applies to every revision of the article, you cannot use hypothetical future content to justify current inclusions. If we can't add a section now because it would be undue emphasis on a particular aspect of the weapon compared to the whole, then you can add it to the talk page and it can be added to the article when it's reasonable to do so.

As to your final statement, you literally said, "I'm not gonna read that long message" which is TL:DR and exceptionally rude when someone is trying to explain the context of a source to you based on their background knowledge of the thing in question. I said you did it to me, not that your posts are too long to read, I've never had any issues with reading them. For the latter, "stop asking loaded questions" might be a good way to start things off. Herr Gruber (talk) 06:19, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

I have provided many sources that show the Bushmaster rifle is frequently referenced as having been the weapon used in the Beltway Sniper shootings. Those mentions are even in books and articles that are about very different topics, including novels. Also including foreign language sources. Many of these sources don't mention other guns or other crimes. One even refers to the gun itself as being "infamous". That clearly qualifies as having "notoriety greatly increased". Because of your concern about weight, I'll leave out the part about the lawsuit. Once the article gets longer we can revisit that issue. Felsic2 (talk) 18:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Notoriety was less with Bushmaster XM-15 than with Bushmaster the company and the distribution system of Bushmaster in the Beltway Sniper incident. It looks like synthesis to conflate the Bushmaster company notoriety with the rifle. There were no nationwide bans of the rifle model resulting from the Beltway Sniper Incident, nor any significant changes in laws, either. Seems like synthesis to assert the notoriety of the rifle in the Beltway Sniper incident. The real issue was the failure to maintain control of the rifle in a store from which it was stolen. Had it not been stolen, it wouldn't have been used. Have removed the Beltway Sniper content from the history, and renamed the section to just Sandy Hook and aftermath. Miguel Escopeta (talk) 20:21, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Also, you forgot to take out all the sources that mention the company but don't name the rifle, which, by my count, is 37 of them; when almost half of your sources don't even know what it's called, I don't see how this proves the rifle became notorious, it's like trying to prove Hitler was notorious with a bunch of books half of which just mention "the Nazi leader" but don't give a name. I also question if you actually think, say, something entitled Weapons of Mass Distortion: The Coming Meltdown of the Liberal Media is a reliable source (I don't think I'd use it as anything but a source on the author's political views if such were required), or that fiction can be regarded as such (Dead or Alive: A Kevin Kerney Novel, The Witchdoctor, Endgame and What You Will Not Do for Love). And as noted, none of these actually include the claim that it is notorious, so citing a huge number of sources and claiming it proves that is OR, per WP:SYNTH, "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." It's also not actually that many sources: compare it too a book search for, say, "Hitler PPK suicide" or "Oswald Carcano" for some perspective. Herr Gruber (talk) 06:48, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

No I didn't forget. The notoriety of this weapon is such that people oftern refer to it as "a Bushmaster rile", the same way that one would refer to "a Luger pistol". It's obvious which firearm they're referring to.

Likewise, its appearance n novels, etc, is further evidence of how widely associated this firearm with that series of shootings.

Read the last source, which clearly calls the weapon "infamous".

Eighty-one sources is a lot. How many references to it, outside of gun enthusiast publications, can you find that don't mention the Beltway sniper?

The editors here seem to be setting impossible standards. I repeat my question - how should I deal with stonewalling? Felsic2 (talk) 23:57, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

That's an interesting claim which none of the sources make themselves, ie, WP:SYNTH. Also, there only is one Luger pistol that your example could be talking about, so it's not a good example; "a Colt revolver" or "an Enfield rifle" would work a little better, but in neither case would I regard a source that doesn't identify a weapon specifically as proof a weapon is specifically identified with something, it's a contradiction. The final source claims the weapon is infamous but only identifies the manufacturer; this is not good proof that it actually is. Further, mentioning the firearm when talking about the crime is not the same as mentioning the crime when talking about the firearm, and does not establish a clear association in that direction, which is what you are attempting to do here.

As a casual counterpoint, Jane's Guns Recognition Guide (fourth edition) by Ian Hogg & Terry Gander p. 244, on the Carcano: "They were mostly sold off after 1945 and spread throughout the world; President Kennedy was shot with a Mannlicher-Carcano carbine." World.guns.ru, "One historical note regarding Carcano rifles is that one such rifle, sold as surplus in USA, and fitted with 4X telescope sight, was apparently used by someone Lee Harvey Oswald to assassinate President of USA J. F. Kennedy on November 22nd, 1963, in Dallas, TX." This is proof that a crime is so associated with a specific weapon that discussion of the weapon by reliable sources includes discussion of the crime, and therefore that our discussion of the weapon should include the crime.

(World.guns also includes, on the TEC-9, "(it) bears the dubious distinction of being one of the most widely used "criminal" guns in USA. It was used in several mass murder cases, as well as in unknown, but definitely large number of street fights and other violent crimes. TEC-9 became "famous" for its "evil" appearance, large magazine capacity (which offered significant firepower), and for low price.").

This was previously established as the reason for rejecting Beltway from addition to Bushmaster M4-type Carbine (discussion is here) and consensus was that this information belonged at Bushmaster Firearms International (where it is) because there was not a strong enough association between a specific firearm and the attacks, but there was a strong association between the manufacturer and the attacks.

What you need is clear statements that "the XM-15 is famous / infamous for being used in the Beltway shootings" from reliable sources or clear examples of reliable sources including discussion of the crime when talking primarily about the gun, not your synthesis of sources almost half of which offer no direct support for the claims and the totality of which do not really indicate any abnormal association (for example, it is hardly unusual for "Evidence Collection and Presentation 2nd Edition," noting the details of a trial, to note what the exhibits actually are). I have set standards which are quite possible to achieve if there is actually a strong association, since I achieved them myself above: as another example, if you used the same standard for the statement "the Walther PPK is famous for being used by James Bond" you would find many reliable sources that allow that exact statement to be referenced, rather than just mentioning the two together or vague statements about him using a "Walther pistol" of some sort. Eg, The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Pistols, Revolvers and Submachine Guns by Will Fowler, Anthony North and Charles Stronge, p. 162, on the PPK: "It was also made famous by Ian Fleming's character James Bond." I didn't even need to google that, I just looked through the books on pistols I actually own.

As for what to do when consensus is not going your way, there is WP:LISTEN for that very thing. Herr Gruber (talk) 06:01, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

I asked before what standard this has to meet, and was stonewalled. So will a single reliable source saying "the XM-15 is famous / infamous for being used in the Beltway shootings" be sufficient? Felsic2 (talk) 23:10, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

You were not stonewalled, I asked you if you had any other ideas since your initial argument using google searches didn't offer any compelling evidence if the search was narrowed to require direct mention of the weapon's name rather than just the manufacturer's name. At the time, I couldn't think of a policy-based way to determine what you were asking for. You ignored WP:AGF and accused me of trying to set impossible standards by asking you a perfectly logical question.

I then realised what what was actually needed and that the method you were attempting to use was SYNTH (and uses a definition of evidence so loose it would allow you to "prove" that Santa Claus is real) and stated you needed a source to actually assert the thing you were claiming. You actually accused me of stonewalling following a post where I directly stated what kind of evidence you'd need to demonstrate your claim was valid (ie, sources stating that the weapon was famous / infamous for its association, due to SYNTH not letting us decide that ourselves based on sources that do not make that claim themselves). And several would be better than one, particularly when I can find multiple sources for mine without even trying. The only one I found that asserted it was famous or infamous was a VPC press release from 2003 (hardly a disinterested party or proof that this is generally or currently held to be the case thirteen years later) and the only one you have here is the blurb description of a TV show, which isn't a reliable source, and doesn't name the weapon.

Your argument that we can assume a weapon is infamous if people use a shorthand version of its name is begging the question, since unless they say that's why they're doing it, it could equally be because they don't know the full name; I could just as easily use those as evidence against your claim. We can only use what the source actually says; per your example above, if we had a source that said "the Luger is famous for being carried by General Steve," we could use that to add that "a Luger" was famously used by him, but based on that source alone, not that it was the Artillery Model even if that's actually the one he used. If it only said "a pistol with a Maxim-derived toggle lock was famously carried by General Steve" we couldn't even use that to say the Luger was famous for this use, since that could equally mean he was carrying a Borchardt C-93.

As another example of how easy this is using the "only books I actually own" test for actually famous uses, The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Pistols, Revolvers and Submachine Guns by Will Fowler, Anthony North and Charles Stronge, p. 63 has a subheading "Gangster Weapons" entirely about use during the Prohibition era and names Al Capone, George "Machine Gun" Kelly, John Dillinger and Charlies Arthur "Pretty Boy" Floyd and specifically references the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. Herr Gruber (talk) 05:52, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

That doesn't really answer my question. You're citing a source which apparently fails to actually say that the "gangster weapons" are famous or infmaous, which is the standard I thought your were setting for this page. Since you didn't object, I'll assume that a single reliable source will be sufficient

I note your comments about making "synth arguments". Just like how we don't decide what's an "assault weapon" or an "AR-15" and instead rely on what term sources use. Felsic2 (talk) 20:58, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Based on your responses, it looks like you'd also accept a source primarily about guns which mentions the Beltway sniper's use of the Bushmaster XM-15. Felsic2 (talk) 23:12, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

I went ahead and added some material with sources that should be adequate. Felsic2 (talk) 22:29, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Sources mentioning the Bushmaster rifle used in the Beltway sniper shootings

Bushmaster used in Beltway sniper shootings Gun Control in the United States A Reference Handbook - Page 98 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1851097600 Gregg Lee Carter - 2006 - ?Preview Beretta U.S.A. Corp (Oct. 7, 1999) John Allen Muhammad and John Lee Malvo were convicted in connection with a series of sniper shootings using a Bushmaster XM-15 E2S .223 caliber semi-automatic assault rifle in the fall of 2002. Introduction to Criminalistics The Foundation of Forensic Science https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0080916759 Barry A.J. Fisher, ?William J. Tilstone, ?Catherine Woytowicz - 2009 - ?Preview - ?More editions Link to Malvo and the Shooting of Claudine parker in alabama Although firearms examination did not provide any associative evidence between the ... The weapon used by the DC snipers was a stolen Bushmaster XM-15 semi-automatic rifle. Top Cases of The FBI - Volume 1 https://books.google.com/books?id=ZqvZBQAAQBAJ RJ Parker - 2012 - ?Preview - ?More editions It was during this time that he became close with Lee Boyd Malvo, who later acted as his partner in the killings. Williams changed his name to John ... Malvo shoplifted a Bushmaster XM15 rifle from a firearms shop. Muhammad took up target Showdown The Looming Crisis Over Gun Control https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0990575411 Lenden Eakin, ?Kevin Kays - 2015 - ?Preview - ?More editions John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo, a minor, used a 1990 Chevrolet Caprice and a Bushmaster BM-15 rifle in .223 Remington to conduct their shooting rampage. The Caprice had the back seat removed so that Muhammad could ... Counter-Terrorism for Emergency Responders, Second Edition https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1420009907 Robert A. Burke - 2006 - ?Preview - ?More editions On October 2, 2002, “Beltway Snipers” John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo began their killing spree, shooting ... The attacks were carried out with a Bushmaster XM-15 semiautomatic .223 caliber rifle, the civilian equivalent of the U.S. ... Offender Profiling in the Courtroom The Use and Abuse of Expert ... https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0313362106 Norbert Ebisike - 2008 - ?Preview A stolen Bushmaster XM-15 semiautomatic .223 caliber rifle; 2. ... A note containing the Beltway snipers hotline phone number and other numbers relating to the attacks.208 A voice recorder found in the Caprice contained the undeleted ... Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE) ... https://books.google.com/books?id=jM2J8lG00mAC United States. Congress. House. Committee on the Judiciary - 2006 - ?Snippet view BULL'S EYE SHOOTER SUPPLY, TACOMA, WASHINGTON In fall 2002, John Allen Muhammad and John Lee Malvo engaged in a series of deadly sniper shootings in the Washington, DC area using a Bushmaster XM—15 semi-automatic ... African Americans and Criminal Justice An Encyclopedia - Page 149 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=031335717X Delores D. Jones-Brown, ?Beverly D. Frazier, ?Marvie Brooks - 2014 - ?Preview - ?More editions After a deluge of inaccurate and misleading tips, police finally captured Muhammad and Malvo as they slept in their 1990 blue Chevrolet Caprice at ... Police also found a Bushmaster XM-15 semi-automatic .223-caliber rifle in their possession. Product Safety & Liability Reporter - Volume 32 - Page 514 https://books.google.com/books?id=-ZdPAQAAIAAJ 2004 - ?Snippet view - ?More editions The pair used a Bushmaster XM-15 E2S semi-automatic assault rifle in a series of shootings that killed 13 people. ... that are unaltered; and the damage to Muharnmad's and Malvo's victims 'arises out of' Bushrnaster's product, the assault rifle. Psychology - Page 367 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0716752158 Daniel L. Schacter, ?Daniel T. Gilbert, ?Daniel M. Wegner - 2009 - ?Preview - ?More editions As Martin approached his truck, there was a sudden, loud pop, and a bullet from a Bushmaster XM15 semiautomatic rifle ... The note provided clues that led police to 42year-old John Allen Muhammad and 17-yearold Lee Boyd Malvo, who ... Dead or Alive A Kevin Kerney Novel https://books.google.com/books?isbn=144065803X Michael McGarrity - 2008 - ?Preview - ?More editions He even remembered their names, Muhammad and Malvo. 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Up In Arms - Page 13 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1304949222 Angelow Three - Preview 31 From October 2 to October 22, 2002, DC Snipers John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo shot and killed 10 people in the Washington, D.C. metro area using a Bushmaster XM-15, purchased legally.32 John Allen Muhammed was ... Illustrated Manual of Sniper Skills - Page 229 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1616737565 Mark Spicer - Preview - ?More editions THE WASHINGTON, D.C., "BELTWAY SNIPER" ATTACKS At 10:30 PM on Thursday, September 5, 2002, Paul LaRuffa, owner of a small pizzeria in Clinton, Maryland, ... The attacks were carried out with a Bushmaster .223-caliber XM-15. Congressional Record, V. 149, PT. 2, January 21, 2003 to February ... https://books.google.com/books?id=yziI7NVinf8C U S Congress - 2006 - ?Preview - ?More editions Among the weapons used by the snipers was a high powered military-style assault rifle known as a Bushmaster XM15. Following the arrest of sniper suspects John Mohammed and John Lee Malvo, this weapon was linked to killings in ... Disaster Medicine - Page 811 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0323032532 Gregory R. Ciottone - 2006 - ?Preview - ?More editions CASE PRESENTATION The Beltway Sniper attacks took place during 3 weeks of October 2002 in the eastern United States. ... The attacks were carried out with a Bushmaster XM-15 semiautomatic .223 caliber rifle,the civilian equivalent of the ... Gun Violence in America The Struggle for Control - Page 319 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1555535925 Alexander DeConde - 2003 - ?Preview - ?More editions ... seventeen-year-old Lee Boyd Malvo, an illegal immigrant from Jamaica. They possessed two Bushmaster XM-15 .223-caliber assault rifles, copies of military weapons, which Muhammad had purchased secondhand, or stolen, at gun shops. Sniper, 2nd Edition Training, Techniques and Weapons - Page 151 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0312362900 Peter Brookesmith - 2007 - ?Preview - ?More editions In October 2002, for example, one John Allen Muhammed, assisted by a juvenile Lee Boyd Malvo, went on a ... and other public spaces, shooting them with a 5.56mm XM15 Bushmaster from the trunk of a specially modified Chevrolet sedan. The Impact of 9/11 and the New Legal Landscape The Day that Changed ... https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0230100058 M. Morgan - 2009 - ?Preview - ?More editions ... the Nation of Islam) and Lee Boyd Malvo. One of them drove a Chevrolet, while the other hid in the trunk, using a small opening to shoot people from 50 to 100 yards away. They murdered 10 people with a stolen Bushmaster XM-15 rifle. Republican Gomorrah Inside the Movement that Shattered the Party https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1568584172 Max Blumenthal - 2010 - ?Preview - ?More editions As winter approached, Murray acquired a fearsome arsenal of assault rifles, including a Bushmaster XM-15 (“Beltway Sniper” John Lee Malvo's weapon of choice) and an AK-47. At a local UPS store where Murray maintained a mailbox, ... Weapons of Mass Casualties and Terrorism Response Handbook https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0763724254 Charles Edward Stewart - 2006 - ?Preview - ?More editions After killing ten people and injuring three others, John Mohammed and his stepson, John Lee Malvo, were arrested at a rest stop. The pair allegedly used a .223 caliber Bushmaster XM-15 rifle to prey on their unsuspecting victims. Mohammed ... Guns Don't Kill People, People Kill People - Page 24 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0807088846 Dennis A. Henigan - 2016 - ?Preview - ?More editions ... a Bushmaster XM-15 E2S.223 caliber militarystyle assault rifle in a series of long-range shootings that killed ten innocent people and wounded four more, while paralyzing an entire metropolitan area in fear for weeks. Sniper Lee Boyd Malvo ... The 21st Century Sniper A Complete Practical Guide https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1628732903 Brandon Webb - 2013 - ?Preview - ?More editions Allof these men, except Malvo,were former Marines, and all committed murder. To call them snipers is ... The weapon actually used by the D. C.Snipers was a Bushmaster AR with ironsights andtwo holesdrilled eitherway. The hidesitecreated ...� Terrorism, 2002-2004 a chronology - Volume 1 - Page 110 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0313334757 Edward F. Mickolus, ?Susan L. Simmons - 2006 - ?Snippet view - ?More editions ... homeless man John Allen Muhammad, 41, born on December 31, 1960, and Lee Boyd Malvo (alias John Lee Malvo), 17, born on February 18, 1985, in Jamaica, who were asleep in the car. The Caprice also contained the Bushmaster XM 1 ... Przekr'oj - Issues 2993-3001 - Page 23 https://books.google.com/books?id=9cMTAQAAMAAJ - Translate this page 2002 - ?Snippet view - ?More editions 41 -letni John Allen Muham- mad i 17-letni Lee Boyd Malvo musieli byc równie przerazeni co policjanci, którzy wywlekli ich z samochodu. Dowody zbrodni mieli przy sobie. W che- vrolecie lezal karabin Bushmaster XM-15 kaliber 0.223, ... Fighting for Dear Life The Untold Story of Terri Schiavo and What ... https://books.google.com/books?isbn=076420534X David Gibbs - 2008 - ?Snippet view - ?More editions Each of his victims was murdered by a single .223-caliber bullet fired from a Bushmaster rifle. Muhammad, an expert marksman, pulled the trigger while his younger partner in terror, Lee Malvo, drove the car. In 2003 Muhammad was convicted ... The Human Predator A Historical Chronicle of Serial Murder and ... https://books.google.com/books?id=U7RIAAAAYAAJ Katherine M. Ramsland - 2005 - ?Snippet view - ?More editions Williams, aka Muhammad, had a companion, an adolescent named Lee Boyd Malvo, a Jamaican national, and was known ... They were removed from the Caprice, along with a Bushmaster XM-15 E2S assault rifle that proved to be the murder ...� Gun Control Restricting Rights Or Protecting People? - Page 62 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0787690759 Margaret Haerens - 2005 - ?Snippet view - ?More editions ... 17-year-old John Lee Malvo, were accused of killing 10 people and wounding three others in Washington, DC, and vicinity, in a three-week killing spree with a .232 caliber Bushmaster XM1 5 semi-automatic rifle. 2000 In Queens, New York, .. The World Almanac And Book of Facts 2004 - Page 19 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0886879183 Ken Park, ?World Almanac Education Group, Inc. - 2003 - ?Snippet view - ?More editions 41. a former soldier also known as John Allen Muhammad, and John Lee Malvo. a 17-year-old from Jamaica, were ... Police found a Bushmaster XM-15 .223-caliber rifie in the auto, later identified as the weapon used in the shootings: the car ... Snow Treasure �Stern Magazin - Volume 56 - Page 46 https://books.google.com/books?id=LN08AQAAIAAJ - Translate this page 2002 - ?Snippet view - ?More editions Einmal forderten Muhammad und Malvo eine Zahlung von zehn Millionen Dollar auf eine gestohlene Platin-Visa- Card. ... Die halbautoma- tische Bushmaster XM 15 E2S, ist ein exakter Nachbau des Sturmgewehres M16 der US-Armee. Stern - Issues 1-5 - Page 46 https://books.google.com/books?id=M_dLAAAAYAAJ - Translate this page 2003 - ?Snippet view - ?More editions Einmal forderten Muhammad und Malvo eine Zahlung von zehn Millionen Dollar auf eine gestohlene Platin- Visa- Card. ... Die halbautoma- tische Bushmaster XM 15 E2S, ist ein exakter Nachbau des Sturmgewehres M16 der US- Armee. Veja - Issues 39-43 - Page 134 https://books.google.com/books?id=4bcwAAAAYAAJ - Translate this page 2002 - ?Snippet view - ?More editions Com eles, a polícia encontrou uma espingarda Bushmaster .223 (a arma usada em onze dos catorze ataques), um ... uma mulher foi morta e outra ferida num assalto e a polícia tinha encontrado as impressões digitais de Malvo no local do ... Tracce criminali storie di omicidi imperfetti - Page 19 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=8804551399 - Translate this page Carlo Lucarelli, ?Massimo Picozzi - 2006 - ?Snippet view - ?More editions Nella Caprice gli agenti delle swat trovano un fucile, un Bushmaster 223, un fucile d'assalto con mirino di precisione e ... e anche i ventisette giorni che ci sono voluti per elaborare l'impronta di Malvo, il capo dell'FBi Robert Mueller telefona al ...� News Politik, Geld, Szene, Leute - Issue 44 - Page 64 https://books.google.com/books?id=QKI8AQAAIAAJ - Translate this page 2002 - ?Snippet view - ?More editions Dann zeigte er ihr stolz eine „Bushmaster XM15", die Zivilversion des Armee-Sturmgewehres, und fragte, wo er 0,223-Ka- liber-Munition kaufen könne. Kurz darauf ... Die Polizei findet einen Fingerabdruck von Malvo, vergisst jedoch, in der ... Köbler Jusnews - Page 209 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=3884300709 - Translate this page Gerhard Köbler - 2004 - ?Snippet view - ?More editions Bushmaster Firearms und ein Waffengeschäftsinhaber zahlen auf Grund Vergleichs 2,5 Millionen Dollar Entschädigung an Opfer der mit einem Bushmaster XM-15 schießenden Heckenschützen John Allen Muhammad und John Lee Malvo. The Beltway Sniper Attacks https://books.google.com/books?id=O-EXBAAAQBAJ Fergus Mason - 2014 - ?Preview {ix} Muhammed andMalvo spent plenty oftime inBull's Eye, examining the weapons on display;they wereseen handling a Bushmaster XM15 rifle, which later vanished from the store. Incredibly, Malvo claimed to have shoplifted the 37inch ... The Witchdoctor - Page 39 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1452062307 G. G. Caldwell - 2010 - ?Preview - ?More editions ... sight, “But depending on what kind of weapon was used he could have been back quite a distance.” “That's true,” Costello conceded. “There are some powerful weapons around these days, like the Bushmaster Malvo and Mohammed used ... Forensics - Page 28 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1602917655 T.R. Thomas - 2010 - ?Preview - ?More editions Muhammad put a silencer on the Bushmaster. That was so witnesses wouldn't hear a loud bang. It was also easier on Malvo's ears in the trunk. Police got the license number of the Caprice. They broadcast it on the police band. Reporters ... Evidence Collection and Presentation – 2nd Edition https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1933778687 Randal Davis - 2016 - ?Preview The prosecution played the interview tape of Malvo, “chuckling” as he confessed to the shootings. ... Malvo's fingerprints and skin cells were found on the Bushmaster .223 rifle seized in the vehicle in which the two suspects were arrested. On the Trail of the D.C. Sniper Fear and the Media - Page 8 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0813928990 Jack R. Censer - 2010 - ?Preview - ?More editions It was a Bushmaster XM15, not the actual weapon but the same brand of rifle he and Malvo would later use in the sniper attacks; short of money not long after he bought the first Bushmaster, he was forced to sell that one. The gun that ... 23 Days of Terror The Compelling True Story of the Hunt and Capture ... https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1451604483 Angie Cannon - 2010 - ?Preview - ?More editions The Compelling True Story of the Hunt and Capture of the Beltway Snipers Angie Cannon. warrant presented by the agents, ... The rifle was a Bushmaster XM15-E2S .223-caliber rifle, serial number L284320. The officer conducting the search ... Congressional Record, V. 150, Pt. 3, February 26, 2004 to March 10, 2004 https://books.google.com/books?id=QML9SquYGjkC Preview On Thursday, October 24, members of the sniper task force arrested John Allen Muhammad and John Lee Boyd Malvo at a rest stop on 1-75 in Frederick County. They were charged with shooting the victims with a Bush- master semiautomatic ... DNA Evidence and Forensic Science - Page 24 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1438100191 David E. Newton - 2008 - ?Preview - ?More editions Law enforcement officials eventually arrested two men, John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo, for the random ... this case was an analysis of ballistic markings on bullets found at the scene of the crimes and a Bushmaster .223 rifle found .. American Murder Criminals, Crimes, and the Media - Page 213 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1578592569 Mike Mayo - 2008 - ?Preview - ?More editions Lee Boyd Malvo was born in Jamaica in 1985. ... In 1999, on the island of Antigua, young Malvo met John Allen Muhammad. ... In Tacoma, Washington they stole a Bushmaster XM-15 rifle from a gun shop where they had also taken target ... Bidoun A Quarterly Forum for Middle Eastern Talent https://books.google.com/books?id=jGRLAQAAIAAJ 2009 - ?Snippet view - ?More editions They got a family membership at the YMCA. and Malvo enrolled in a local high school. Lee's classmates later claimed that he did well in school, though he didn't make any friends. Muhammad had Malvo steal a 223-caliber Bushmaster AR15 ... The Oxford Handbook of Police and Policing - Page 628 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0199843899 Michael D. Reisig, ?Robert J. Kane - 2014 - ?Preview - ?More editions In most of the killings, Muhammad drove the car, a blue 1990 Chevrolet Caprice, from which Malvo fired a .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle through a hole in the trunk. Over the three-week period during which the death count mounted, people ... The FBI A Centennial History, 1908-2008 - Page 112 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0160809541 2008 - ?Preview - ?More editions FAMOUS CASES The Beltway Snipers At 3: 1 9 in the morning on October 24, 2002, the FBI and its partners closed in on the ... Investigators soon learned that Muhammad had a Bushmaster .223 rifle in his possession, a federal violation since ... Big Fire at Spahn Ranch - Page 28 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0578061600 Rich Bowering - 2011 - ?Preview Snipers Crawl from Chevy Caprice Trunks and Suburban Living Rooms Commando cops storm the rest stop on the I-70, Find the Bushmaster .223-caliber rifle in the car, Make the arrest in a highway raid: Muhammad and Malvo caught ...� Serial Crime Theoretical and Practical Issues in Behavioral Profiling https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0080961754 Wayne Petherick - 2009 - ?Preview - ?More editions As a direct result of information provided to the public through the media, Lee Malvo and John Muhammad were found in Muhammad's ... A Bushmaster .223-caliber rifle, a scope, and a tripod were recovered from Muhammad's Caprice. Gun Politics in America Historical and Modern Documents in Context ... https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1440837295 Harry L. Wilson - 2016 - ?Preview - ?More editions John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo, the so-called Beltway Snipers, kill 10 people and injure 3 others in the Washington, ... The shooters' use of a .223 Bushmaster AR-type rifle revives calls for renewing the Assault Weapons Ban. Student handbook 3 - Page 701 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0871975076 2005 - ?Snippet view - ?More editions Police soon connected Malvo with John Allen Muhammad, 41, a U.S. Army veteran and expert marksman, and searched Muhammad's ... Inside the car was a Bushmaster .223 rifle with scope, which authorities linked to 1 1 of the shootings ... The Gun Digest Book of the AR-15 - Volume 2 - Page 6 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0896894746 Patrick Sweeney - 2007 - ?Preview - ?More editions Any Stoner-derived, black rifle in .223/5.56 or one of the derivatives. And even those that aren't black count. But there ... The idea that the only "real" AR makers are Armalite, Bushmaster and Colt. (Hence "ABC") And why are they the "only real" ... Criminal Investigation Handbook (formerly Police Investigation Handbook) https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1579114288 Thomas P. Mauriello - 2015 - ?Preview - ?More editions In a telephone conversation, a representative of the Bushmaster Firearms Company advised the author of this treatise that the sniper used the XM15 E28 M4 type 16in carbine. It has been reported that the rifle used in the sniper shootings had ... Life After A Biography https://books.google.com/books?isbn=144976956X B.R. Hoffman - 2012 - ?Preview - ?More editions Using a Bushmaster XM15 rifle,they took turns shooting random strangers through a peephole in a blue Chevrolet Caprice sedan. During the attacks, people were encouraged to stay inside. One handout encouraged people to “walkbriskly ... 9-11 And Beyond - Page 48 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0757504736 James Jandrowitz, ?Jay Spaulding - 2003 - ?Snippet view - ?More editions The form reflects that on or about May 23, 2000, JOHN ALLEN MUHAMMAD transferred a Bushmaster rifle, semi-automatic .223 caliber, model A-35, XM15-E2S, serial number L166036. The form transferring the firearm contains an address for ... Endgame - Page 304 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0373770367 Dee Davis - 2005 - ?Snippet view "Maybe an M-16 or a Bushmaster. The cartridge was .223." "And Schmidt's rifle takes .300 Win Mag," Gabriel finished. "Isn't the Bushmaster the gun that was used by the Washington sniper?" Madison asked, her nose scrunched up in thought. What You Will Not Do for Love - Page 496 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0758207484 Wendy Coakley-Thompson - 2006 - ?Preview - ?More editions /^haney's solution to everything — the sniper crisis, as VJwell as her own personal drama — was to stay in the house. That way, she could avoid shots to the heart from a Bushmaster XM15 E2S rifle — the sniper's weapon of choice — as well ... Weapons of Mass Distortion The Coming Meltdown of the Liberal Media https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1400081211 L. Brent Bozell - 2004 - ?Preview - ?More editions The closeness was underscored by the fact that the military-style gun used in the sniper attacks—named, unfortunately for the White House, Bushmaster XM15—was manufactured by a company owned by Richard Dyke, a Bush fund-raiser. Introduction to Law Enforcement - Page 284 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1466556234 David H. McElreath, ?Daniel Adrian Doss, ?Carl J. Jensen, III - 2013 - ?Preview It was, in effect, a rolling sniper's nest. Also found in the car were: 0 The Bushmaster .223-caliber rifle that had been used in each attack 0 A rifle's scope for taking aim and a tripod to steady the shots Figure 10.6 Crime scene location of the DC. America's First Freedom - Volume 5, Issues 1-9 - Page 30 https://books.google.com/books?id=TYMkAQAAMAAJ 2004 - ?Snippet view - ?More editions Yet, the .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle used in THE TIME TO REGAIN OUR FREEDOM IS NSW the District of Columbia-area sniper killings was neither a sniper rifle nor an "assault weapon." In fact, it is such a low powered rifle that in most ... Impact of Proposed Legislation on the District of Columbia's Gun ... https://books.google.com/books?id=chfhKO03a6YC 2010 - ?Snippet view ... and Uzi handguns and military-style semiautomatic rifles, such as 50-caliber armor-piercing sniper rifles, AK—47s, and the Bushmaster XM—15 used by the D.C. sniper, to be carried downtown and throughout our neighborhoods responsive ... Chronicles - Volume 27 - Page 52 https://books.google.com/books?id=5VYIAQAAMAAJ 2003 - ?Snippet view - ?More editions ... since the Colt is a popular .223-caliber rifle — the same size as that used by the snipers. ... the gun being used in the murders was a Bush master, so there was no reason to waste law-enforcement resources collecting and testing Colt rifles. Issues and Controversies on File - Volume 10, Issues 1-3 - Page 419 https://books.google.com/books?id=owuwHHk9Z0QC 2005 - ?Snippet view - ?More editions Police were then able to determine that the Bushmaster XM-15 rifle, a civilian version of the U.S. military's M-16 assault ... But when a pair of snipers began terrorizing the Washington, D.C. area in October 2002, many people began to call for a ... Bushmaster Rap Honey, Mike. New Labor Forum12.2 (Summer 2003): 84-85,137. ...Presidential campaign had to step down because his Bushmaster Firearms Company, ...Bushmaster is the very weapon used in the infamous sniper killings in the D.C. Easy Target Sullum, Jacob. Reason36.7 (Dec 2004): 13. ...them, a Bushmaster XM-15 rifle, ended up in the hands of John Lee Malvo and John ...sniper victims $2 million to settle a lawsuit that accused the dealer of failing Tools of terror Anonymous. The Christian Century119.26 (Dec 18-Dec 31, 2002): 5. ...snipers were on the loose near the nation's capital, ultimately killing ten and ...snipers was an XM-15, of which 50,000 are sold each year by Bushmaster Firearms Symposium Q: Does the United States need a database for national ballistic fingerprints? Nosanchuk, Matt; Halbrook, Stephen P. Insight on the News18.41 (Nov 26-Dec 9, 2002): 46-49. Profile Assault weapons ban due to expire in September Morning Edition: 1. Washington, D.C.: NPR. (Mar 11, 2004) ...snipers visited in Tacoma, Washington. The Bushmaster used in those slayings ...snipers used. They can be used, as the snipers did, for precision firing ... ABRAMSON: Zarlenga says investigators inspected his shop when the snipers were TRACKING GUNS Grimaldi, James V. Investigative Reporters and Editors, Inc. The IRE Journal34.1 (Winter 2011): 30-33. ...gun store where the sniper's Bushmaster rifle had been purchased. At Bull's Eye, ...nation in a single year. After the 2002 D. C. sniper case, the Seattle Times FT.com site : Christopher Caldwell: Turning away from the gun Caldwell, Christopher. FT.com (Sep 24, 2004): 1. ...the Bushmaster XM-15, was quite legal, and was used by two snipers who Gunmakers seek more equal status McLeod, Doug. Business Insurance37.16 (Apr 21, 2003): 28. ...last year's Washington sniper shootings, for instance, are suing the ...Bushmaster Firearms, continued to supply the dealer despite past audits by the ...the accused snipers' assault rifle originated. The dealer had no records of On One-Year Anniversary of DC-Area Sniper Shootings, Violence Policy Center Strongly Supports Lautenberg and McCarthy Bills (S. 1431, H.R. 2038) to Renew and Strengthen the Federal Assault Weapons Ban For Release: Wednesday, October 1, 2003 http://www.vpc.org/press/press-release-archive/on-one-year-anniversary-of-dc-area-sniper-shootings-violence-policy-center-strongly-supports-lautenberg-and-mccarthy-bills-s-1431-h-r-2038-to-renew-and-strengthen-the-federal-assault-weapons-ban/ The most notorious example is the Bushmaster XM15 assault rifle--a post-ban AR-15 clone--used by the Washington, DC-area snipers to kill 10 and wound three in October 2002. Furrow's Rifle, Sniper Weapon Linked to Store June 07, 2003|Jean Guccione | Times Staff Writer http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jun/07/local/me-jcc7 Authorities have also traced the Bushmaster .223-caliber semiautomatic assault rifle allegedly used by John Allen Muhammad and Lee Malvo in the three-week rampage that left 10 people dead and three wounded around Washington, D.C., last fall to the same Tacoma gun store. The gun industry is striking back by pushing for federal legislation aimed at wiping out those lawsuits, which it contends are frivolous. If the law passes, then gun dealers such as Bull's Eye would be granted immunity from the lawsuits. The Bushmaster XM15 A Rifle Known for Its Accuracy By Stephen Hunter October 25, 2002 https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/10/25/the-bushmaster-xm15-a-rifle-known-for-its-accuracy/52e537a2-4e19-4bad-b732-db4f8183973d/ And it is allegedly the weapon of choice of the suspects in the sniper case. From its serial number, the manufacturer, Bushmaster Firearms of Windham, Maine, has identified the rifle -- recovered from a car occupied by the two suspects in the case and linked by authorities to 11 of the 13 shootings -- as an XM15 A3 M4, one of 14 varieties of .223-caliber semiautomatic rifle it makes. The M4 designation signifies that the weapon is a close match to the duty firearm of the U.S. military, and the A3 signifies that its carrying handle may be removed to facilitate the mounting of a telescopic or electronic sight. Main gun in Newtown also used in D.C. sniper shootings Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY The primary weapon used in the Connecticut school massacre — a semiautomatic assault rifle — has a history in high-profile incidents of gun violence in the U.S. The .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle also was the weapon of choice in the 2002 Washington-area sniper shootings, which left 10 dead and three wounded in a series of attacks that terrorized the capital region. The gun, weapon analysts say, has a reputation for easy handling and deadly accuracy. REPORT Seattle Shooter Bought Gun From Same Tacoma Store Of D.C. Sniper Fame By Brent Champaco (Patch Staff) - June 1, 2012 5:53 pm ET http://patch.com/washington/universityplace/report-seattle-shooter-bought-gun-from-same-tacoma-st6afeef0c27 Bullseye made national headlines in 2002 following the D.C. sniper killings that left 10 people dead. A trace of the bushmaster rifle that John Muhammed and Lee Malvo trained on innocent civilians revealed that it came from Bullseye. Connecticut Court Allows Lawsuit Against Gun Makers for Sandy Hook Massacre Posted on May 5, 2016 by Erica Daniels http://www.thenationaltriallawyers.org/2016/05/gun-lawsuit-sandy-hook/ Before the passage of the PLCAA, gun maker Bushmaster, a defendant in this class, was sued by two survivors and the families of six victims from the Washington sniper shootings in 2002. They settled the case for $2.5 million. The Sandy Hook Tragedy Masculinity and the Expectation of Violence December 26, 2012 By Sharon http://www.adiosbarbie.com/2012/12/the-sandy-hook-tragedy-masculinity-and-the-expectation-of-violence/ Since 1999, products from Bushmaster have been linked to 28 deaths from mass and spree shootings, including the 10 people murdered by Beltway Snipers John Allen Muhammed and Lee Boyd Malvo in 2001 and 2002. Like Lanza, Muhammed and Malvo preferred the .223 caliber option. School Shooter Adam Lanza Used Military-Style Bushmaster Rifle 12/16/2012 08:06 pm ET | Updated Dec 16, 2012 John Rudolf Janell Ross http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/school-shooter-adam-lanza_n_2312818.html Most notoriously, a Bushmaster .223 rifle was used by the so-called Beltway snipers, John Allen Muhammed and Lee Boyd Malvo, who murdered 15 people in 2001 and 2002. In 2004, Bushmaster settled a lawsuit brought by families of the Beltway victims, which alleged that the company failed to take precautions to ensure that its guns did not fall into the hands of criminals. The company settled the suit for $500,000, but said the settlement was not an admission of culpability. Sandy Hook families sue Bushmaster gun manufacturer Posted on December 29, 2014 by Dr. Eowyn | 16 comments https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/tag/sandy-hook-massacre/ There have been two notable lawsuits against gun manufacturers: In 2002, a federal judge in California ruled that Bushmaster and other gun manufacturers were not responsible for a 1999 shooting spree that killed a postal worker and injured five people at a Jewish community center in Los Angeles. The judge said a lawsuit by the victims’ families did not show a link between the manufacturers and the shooting rampage. In 2004, in a lawsuit over the .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle used in the Washington, D.C.-area sniper shootings that killed 10 people in 2002, Bushmaster and a Washington state gun dealer agreed to pay $550,000 and $2.5 million, respectively, to two survivors and six families. It was the first time a gun manufacturer had agreed to pay damages to settle claims of negligent distribution of weapons. Crime Lab National Geographic Channel http://www.natgeotv.com/za/crime-lab/about The show tells the gripping story of two major murder cases where justice was served with the help of ballistic evidence. The first --the Washington DC sniper-is a case that shocked the USA and held the DC community in a state of perpetual fear. While many serial killers take months or even years to catch, police used ballistic evidence to track down the owners of the infamous Bushmaster rifle in three weeks.

"Operational History"

This isn't an accurate heading: Lanza was not part of a military operation, which is what such a section would normally refer to; the actual operational history of the XM-15 would involve things like police operations and use by armed forces if we ever get to that. I've changed it to "Sandy Hook lawsuit" since that's what the section is primarily about. Herr Gruber (talk) 22:32, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Let's find a general heading that can accomodate all historic uses and users. Maybe simply "history". That could include issues like it's first introduction, changes for the AWB, etc. Felsic2 (talk)

Well, at present we don't really need one because we don't have that information, and I think we'd still need a subsection for the lawsuit since it's notable as a specific thing. Personally I'd use "history" for the history of the design itself since that's the implication of the page structure and another subsection for how people have used it. M1 Garand might be a good model for structure. Herr Gruber (talk) 23:02, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Once we find the source saying that the Bushmaster XM-15 is well-known for its use in the Beltway Sniper case, where shall we put it? Felsic2 (talk) 20:59, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Based on the M1 article, I assume you mean to say that "Service use" would be the right heading. Felsic2 (talk) 23:05, 20 August 2016 (UTC)