Talk:Burn/GA1

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Reviewer: Zad68 (talk · contribs) 15:48, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Status = MEETS GA CRITERIA

On review... Zad68 19:45, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Did some today, mostly reviewed sourcing (the most important thing). Zad68 03:34, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Finished reviewing all sources. I've listed some concerns where I saw source not exactly represented accurately in article content. Can you please go through the sourcing table and double-check where I've indicated with N red X's. After we get the article content in line with the sourcing then I'll go through and do a more thorough grammar and prose check. Kicking it over to you, putting review in On Hold status. Zad68 19:21, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Updated GA worklist to reflect your latest round of changes. Zad68 03:31, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Last round of changes looked good, all sourcing issues resolved. Next will be reviewing prose. Zad68 19:49, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Doc, did a bunch of small changes, and made some requests to you below, a few for clarity, and asking you to add a bit of new content about home remedies especially butter and aloe, are they effective?
- Use this diff to review my changes to the article since you last edited it
- Use this diff to review new changes to this GA review and respond to any open items

Zad68 19:43, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Doc, literally one last thing about aloe vs. SSD to fix, see below. Zad68 14:02, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Done, meets GA criteria, nice work! Zad68 02:42, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA table

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.

General

MOS compliance

Lead

Signs and symptoms

Cause

There should be more about circumferential burns requiring further investigation into abuse or other intentional cause of the burn, usually an indicator for admission to hospital even if TBSA wouldn't normally call for it, I saw this mentioned in several sources but don't see it in the article.

Okay separated out non accidental to its own section and added further signs Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 15:28, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(I renamed the section "Intentional") Zad68 15:50, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If someone injuries themselves during a bout of mental illness it is "non accidental" but it is not necessarily intentionally. Thus is also the wording sources use. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 00:04, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If that's how the hair is split, OK. Zad68 13:13, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thermal

Bride burning is a form of domestic violence more common in India where a women is burned due to what the husband or his family considers to be an inadequate dowry. - this feels WP:UNDUE, sticks out like a sore thumb unconnected to anything, and I can think of more common and widespread intentional burns like cigarette burns as a form of abuse that are not mentioned, is this sentence really needed? If so it needs to be integrated better.

Burns are exceedingly common in Asia and the developing world generally. Bride burning is typically a much more significant injury than a cigarette burn. I will try to find more details and try to flesh this out a little. The difficulty is the medical literature is really US centric so I typically give a bit of leeway to content from the developing world. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 14:17, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fireworks are a common cause burns during holiday seasons in many countries. - appears to be missing "of"

Fixed Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 14:17, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Chemical

Electrical

Radiation

Microwave burns are rare and primarily primarily occur via thermal heating - article content needs to brought in better harmony with source
- Y ok now

Pathophysiology

The remaining blood becomes more concentrated and less in volume - clumsy and a bit unclear, is this meant: "There is significant blood loss, and the remaining blood becomes more concentrated" - it should also be explained which component of the blood is lost to make it more concentrated, it is just moisture? plasma?

Loss of plasma. Adjusted wording Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 14:28, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Diagnosis

Size

Severity

Prevention

Regulation of fireworks appears to decrease the number of injuries caused by them. - Regarding Jeschke p. 46: Source actually appears to say opposite of article content
- Source says "Presumably because of the proliferation of firework regulation the number of firework related injuries dropped" so I do not understand which bit states the opposite. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 01:31, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - That particular sentence you mentioned isn't very definitive and is only talking about UK. In my evaluation, the actual conclusion is where the author says "The impact of legislation on the incidence of fireworks-related injuries is unclear."
    - Yes it is unclear but there is still tentative evidence of benefit. Added second ref. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 15:39, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - Y good now

Management

Sources appear to treat circumferential burns as special case due to circulation problems resulting from contraction, this should be covered more in depth.
- Y on second review, it's covered adequately
As it has come up in several sources, article should make special mention of HF burns, and that they require Calcium gluconate.

Added Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 15:44, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Intravenous fluids

Wound care

There is insufficient evidence to support the use of silver containing dressings.[41] Evidence for negative-pressure wound therapy is insufficient to determine its effect. - the bit about neg-pressure isn't exactly worded right, combine these two sentences to say there is insufficient evidence to support either

Agree and combined. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 14:30, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If intact blisters are present, it is not clear what should be done with them. Some tentative evidence supports leaving them intact. - lead says Blisters should be left unbroken to reduce the likelihood of infection., make consistent

Done Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 00:06, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

fixed now

Please add a bit about common "home care" -- there are home-remedy recommendations to put butter or aloe or honey on sunburns or first degree burns, what does the best literature say about it?

Added a bit more. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 01:51, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, one final thing I'm having a hard time resolving, article states both:

Tentative evidence also supports the use of aloe vera[56] however it does not appear to be superior to silver sulfadiazine.
Silver sulfadiazine (a type of antibiotic) is not recommended as it potentially prolongs healing time.

This is sending a mixed message that aloe might work, but not any better than SSD, which is not recommended. I know, the sources are stating conflicting things, but can you please work this out in the article so that it's not self-contradictory. Zad68 13:28, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes the sources contradict each other. Adjusted and added the main conclusion that the overall quality of the evidence is poor.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 08:44, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

good now

Medications

During the healing process antihistamines, message, or transcutaneous nerve stimulation may be used to aid with itching.[6] Antihistamines however are only effective in 20% of people.[43] Tentative evidence supports the use of gabapentin - based on the sources, the last two sentences are talking about pruritis/itching but the article content does not make this clear enough, please make more clear what symptom Antihistamines and gabapentin are for - pain or itching?

Clarified. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 15:53, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Intravenous antibiotics may improve survival in those with large and severe burns.[44] There is however concerns that it increases the risk of fungal infections and antibiotic resistance.[5] Due to the poor quality of the evidence, routine use is not recommended. - "There is however concerns" needs grammar fixed; check the meaning of the content against the source, prophylaxis is recommended perioperatively, does this need to be worked into the content?

Reworded. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 16:11, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

better now

Surgery

Alternative medicine

Hyperbaric oxygenation may be useful in addition to traditional treatments - don't agree hyperbaric oxygen is "alternative medicine" or at least the source didn't say so, consider moving this elsewhere

Moved Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 14:33, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hyperbaric oxygenation may be useful in addition to traditional treatments;[47] however, more research is needed to confirm or deny this.[48 - a 2004 Cochrane review is used to supplement a 2013 review article and make a statement about "more research is needed", if there's been more research since 2004 the 2013 review should have it, recommend removing the bit here sourced to the 2004 Cochrane

Yes agree 2004 is a little old. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 14:33, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Prognosis

In one large United States series of people admitted to burn centres on average 4% of people died[14] with a mortality of less than 1% in those with burn areas less than 10% TBSA and 85% in those with more than 90% TBSA burns. - sorry couldn't figure out what is meant here, please clarify

Done Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 03:36, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

better now after a bit more copyediting

Complications

Epidemiology

Overall nearly 60% of fatal burns occur in Southeast Asia with a rate of 11.6 per 100,000. In this region of the world fatal burns are twice as common in females as males. - This is surprising, can you include an explanation why?

Women cook over open flames on the floor while males work outside. India is the biggest country in this region. Discussed under the other epidemiology section. Clarified a bit and moved some content around. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 13:31, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

explained now

United States

Other

History

Needs expansion, four sentences isn't enough, there's more that should be added from Herndon's Total Burn Care Chapter 1, especially needs development of modern understanding and treatment (19th-20th century).

Added paragraph Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 18:45, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New content covers it. But, nearly every sentence is passive voice. It's acceptable for GA but should be fixed, will make note. Zad68 13:36, 16 May 2013 (UTC)4[reply]

better now with less passive voice

References

Can you fill in the actual chapter names for the 4th ed (2012) of Total Burn Care, I could access the chapter names for the 3rd ed. (2007) but I can't see the 4th ed.

Done Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 02:00, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please fix the number of cases where there's a {{cite book}} and the "edition" field is filled in and ends with "ed." like "4th ed.", it should just be "4th", the template adds the "ed." for you and so some refs look like "4th ed. ed."

Done. It would be good to fix the cite tool that adds these. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 02:00, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

... I'll leave myself a note to figure out where to ask to get the rendering of the template fixed.

Pls fix The Washington manual of surgery ref, it has the book title as the author, it shouldn't have an author and instead it should have editor=Klingensmith M

Done Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 19:55, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fix authors for Textbook of pediatric emergency procedures, needs to use editors= field

Done Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 19:55, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

External links

Media

Y Appropriate, licenses look OK.

Sourcing

All sourcing issues resolved now, sourcing looks good! Zad68 19:48, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sources table

In this table:

Source lists the source as cited in the article
Seems WP:RS? means, "Does this source appear to meet WP:RS for reliable sourcing?"
Use OK? means, is the source used appropriately in the article? For the review, a few selected sources will be spot-checked to ensure they aren't plagiarized and support the article content. ? indicates the source was not spot-checked.
Notes will summarize problems found and what needs to be done to fix them

Source	Seems WP:RS?	Use OK?	Notes
<ref name=Itchy2009>{{cite journal\|last=Goutos\|first=I\|coauthors=Dziewulski, P; Richardson, PM\|title=Pruritus in burns: review article.\|journal=Journal of burn care & research : official publication of the American Burn Association\|date=2009 Mar-Apr\|volume=30\|issue=2\|pages=221-8\|pmid=19165110\|}}</ref>	Y	Y	PMID 19165110: Review
<ref>{{cite book\|last=Buttaro\|first=Terry\|title=Primary Care: A Collaborative Practice\|year=2012\|publisher=Elsevier Health Sciences\|isbn=9780323075855\|pages=236\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=YBcHR-wQOWQC&pg=PA236}}</ref>	Y	Y
<ref>{{cite book\|last=Kowalski\|first=Caroline Bunker Rosdahl, Mary T.\|title=Textbook of basic nursing\|year=2008\|publisher=Lippincott Williams & Wilkins\|location=Philadelphia\|isbn=9780781765213\|page=1109\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=odY9mXicPlYC&pg=PA1109\|edition=9th ed.}}</ref>	Y	Y	This is OK but it's chapter from a really general nursing guide from 2008, consider replacing it with Jeschke 2012 p. 326, much stronger source says the same thing
<ref name=ABA2012pgi>National Burn Repository Pg. i</ref>	Y	Y	This is from "American Burn Association", looks OK I guess but not 100% this is really an authoritative group, I found only limited cites for them, can you double-check?
<ref name=ABA2012>{{cite web\|title=Burn Incidence and Treatment in the United States: 2012 Fact Sheet\|url=http://www.ameriburn.org/resources_factsheet.php\|work=American Burn Association\|accessdate=20 April 2013\|year=2012}}</ref>	Y	Y
<ref>{{cite book\|last=Gardiner\|first=edited by Mark\|title=Training in paediatrics : the essential curriculum\|year=2009\|publisher=Oxford University Press\|location=Oxford\|isbn=9780199227730\|page=36\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=FLBMvTff9sMC&pg=PA36\|coauthors=Eisen, Sarah; Murphy, Catherine}}</ref>	Y	Y	Pls. fix author, use editor field instead Y fixed now
<ref name=Mag2008>{{cite journal\|last=Maguire\|first=S\|coauthors=Moynihan, S; Mann, M; Potokar, T; Kemp, AM\|title=A systematic review of the features that indicate intentional scalds in children.\|journal=Burns : journal of the International Society for Burn Injuries\|date=2008 Dec\|volume=34\|issue=8\|pages=1072-81\|pmid=18538478\|}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?	PMID 18538478: Review
<ref>{{cite journal\|last=Jutla\|first=RK\|coauthors=Heimbach, D\|title=Love burns: An essay about bride burning in India.\|journal=The Journal of burn care & rehabilitation\|date=2004 Mar-Apr\|volume=25\|issue=2\|pages=165-70\|pmid=15091143\|}}</ref>	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?	PMID 15091143: Review; not sure about the appropriateness of this source and associated content in this general article on burns
<ref>{{cite book\|last=Peden\|first=Margie\|title=World report on child injury prevention\|year=2008\|publisher=World Health Organization\|location=Geneva, Switzerland\|isbn=9789241563574\|page=86\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=UeXwoNh8sbwC&pg=PA86}}</ref>	Y	Y	Source doesn't seem to support content exactly Source says "Fireworks Many countries celebrate religious or national festivals by setting off fireworks and many burn injuries regularly occur around these holidays" Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 01:15, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Y
<ref name=Hard2012>{{cite journal\|last=Hardwicke\|first=J\|coauthors=Hunter, T; Staruch, R; Moiemen, N\|title=Chemical burns--an historical comparison and review of the literature.\|journal=Burns : journal of the International Society for Burn Injuries\|date=2012 May\|volume=38\|issue=3\|pages=383-7\|pmid=22037150\|}}</ref>	Y	Y	PMID 22037150: Comparative Study, Review
<ref>{{cite journal\|last=Makarovsky\|first=I\|coauthors=Markel, G; Dushnitsky, T; Eisenkraft, A\|title=Hydrogen fluoride--the protoplasmic poison.\|journal=The Israel Medical Association journal : IMAJ\|date=2008 May\|volume=10\|issue=5\|pages=381-5\|pmid=18605366\|}}</ref>	Y	Y	PMID 18605366: Review
<ref>{{cite journal\|last=Edlich\|first=RF\|coauthors=Farinholt, HM; Winters, KL; Britt, LD; Long WB, 3rd\|title=Modern concepts of treatment and prevention of lightning injuries.\|journal=Journal of long-term effects of medical implants\|date=2005\|volume=15\|issue=2\|pages=185-96\|pmid=15777170\|}}</ref>	Y	Y	PMID 15777170: Review; this is a bit old (2005) but a quick look on PubMed showed it's not a subject that comes up often and the source is being used to support something very basic, so OK
<ref>{{cite book\|last=Prahlow\|first=Joseph\|title=Forensic pathology for police, death investigators, and forensic scientists\|year=2010\|publisher=Humana\|location=Totowa, N.J.\|isbn=9781597454049\|page=485\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=rF1WTiX0nHEC&pg=PA485}}</ref>	Y	Y
<ref>{{cite journal\|author=Kearns RD, Cairns CB, Holmes JH, Rich PB, Cairns BA \|title=Thermal burn care: a review of best practices. What should prehospital providers do for these patients? \|journal=EMS World \|volume=42 \|issue=1 \|pages=43–51 \|year=2013\|month=January\|pmid=23393776 \|doi= \|url=}}</ref>	Y	Y	PMID 23393776: Review
<ref>{{cite journal\|last=Balk\|first=SJ\|coauthors=Council on Environmental, Health; Section on, Dermatology\|title=Ultraviolet radiation: a hazard to children and adolescents.\|journal=Pediatrics\|date=2011 Mar\|volume=127\|issue=3\|pages=e791-817\|pmid=21357345\|}}</ref>	Y	Y	PMID 21357345: Review
<ref name=RosenChp144>{{cite book\|last=Marx\|first=John\|title=Rosen's emergency medicine : concepts and clinical practice\|year=2010\|publisher=Mosby/Elsevier\|location=Philadelphia\|isbn=0323054722\|edition=7th ed.\|chapter=144}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?	Pls fill in actual chapter name. Y Done now
<ref>{{cite book\|last=Krieger\|first=John\|title=Clinical environmental health and toxic exposures\|year=2001\|publisher=Lippincott Williams & Wilkins\|location=Philadelphia, Pa. [u.a.]\|isbn=9780683080278\|page=205\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=PyUSgdZUGr4C&pg=PA205\|edition=2. ed.}}</ref>	Y	Y	Article content needs to be brought in better harmony with source Have adjusted wording Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 01:24, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Y
<ref name=Roj2012>{{cite journal \|author=Rojas Y, Finnerty CC, Radhakrishnan RS, Herndon DN \|title=Burns: an update on current pharmacotherapy \|journal=Expert Opin Pharmacother \|volume=13 \|issue=17 \|pages=2485–94 \|year=2012 \|month=December \|pmid=23121414 \|pmc=3576016 \|doi=10.1517/14656566.2012.738195 \|url=}}</ref>	Y	Y	PMID 23121414: Review
<ref>{{cite book\|last=Hannon\|first=Ruth\|title=Porth pathophysiology : concepts of altered health states\|year=2010\|publisher=Wolters Kluwer Health/Lippincott Williams & Wilkins\|location=Philadelphia, PA\|isbn=9781605477817\|page=1516\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=2-MFXOEG0lcC&pg=PA1516\|edition=1st Canadian ed.}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?
<ref name=Schw2010>{{cite book\|last=Brunicardi\|first=Charles\|title=Schwartz's principles of surgery\|year=2010\|publisher=McGraw-Hill, Medical Pub. Division\|location=New York\|isbn=9780071547697\|edition=9th ed.\|chapter=8}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?	Pls fill in actual chapter name. Y done now
<ref name=CEM2012>{{cite book\|last=Garmel\|first=edited by S.V. Mahadevan, Gus M.\|title=An introduction to clinical emergency medicine\|year=2012\|publisher=Cambridge University Press\|location=Cambridge\|isbn=9780521747769\|page=216-219\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=pyAlcOfBhjIC&pg=PA216\|edition=2nd ed.}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?
<ref name=TBCChp4>{{cite book\|editor=Herndon D\|title=Total burn care\|publisher=Saunders\|location=Edinburgh\|isbn=9781437727869\|pages=46\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=nrG7ZY4QwQAC&pg=PA47-IA4\|edition=4th\|chapter=Chapter 4}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?	Can you pls fill in the actual chapter name (not just "Chapter 4")? Y
<ref name=TBCChp3>{{cite book\|editor=Herndon D\|title=Total burn care\|publisher=Saunders\|location=Edinburgh\|isbn=9781437727869\|page=23\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=nrG7ZY4QwQAC&pg=PA15\|edition=4th\|chapter=Chapter 3}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?	Pls fill in actual chapter name. Y
<ref>{{cite book\|last=Jeschke\|first=Marc\|title=Handbook of Burns Volume 1: Acute Burn Care\|year=2012\|publisher=Springer\|isbn=9783709103487\|page=46\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=olshnFqCI0kC&pg=PA46}}</ref>	Y	Y	(discussion moved to "Prevention" above) Y now
<ref>{{cite book\|last=Surgery\|first=Washington University School of Medicine Department of\|title=The Washington manual of surgery\|year=2007\|publisher=Lippincott Williams & Wilkins\|location=Philadelphia, Pa.\|isbn=9780781774475\|pages=422\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=XTYAxJntdvAC&pg=PA422\|edition=5th}}</ref>	Y	Y
<ref name="isbn1_4160_3274_6">{{cite book \|editor=Herndon D\|title=Total Burn Care \|chapter=Chapter 9: Fluid resuscitation and Early Management \|publisher=Saunders \|location=Philadelphia \|year=2007 \|pages=880 \|isbn=1-4160-3274-6 \|oclc= \|doi= \|accessdate=}}</ref>	Y please update this to 4th ed. (2012) Done Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 16:42, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?
<ref>{{cite book\|last=Jeschke\|first=Marc\|title=Handbook of Burns Volume 1: Acute Burn Care\|year=2012\|publisher=Springer\|isbn=9783709103487\|page=77\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=olshnFqCI0kC&pg=PA77}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?
<ref>{{cite journal\|last=Endorf\|first=FW\|coauthors=Ahrenholz, D\|title=Burn management.\|journal=Current opinion in critical care\|date=2011 Dec\|volume=17\|issue=6\|pages=601-5\|pmid=21986459\|}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?	PMID 21986459: Review
<ref>{{cite journal\|last=Perel\|first=P\|coauthors=Roberts, I\|title=Colloids versus crystalloids for fluid resuscitation in critically ill patients\|journal=Cochrane database of systematic reviews (Online)\|date=2012 Jun 13\|volume=6\|pages=CD000567\|pmid=22696320\|doi=10.1002/14651858.CD000567.pub5\|editor1-last=Perel\|editor1-first=Pablo}}</ref>	Y	Y	PMID 22696320: Meta-Analysis, Review
<ref>{{cite journal\|last=Curinga\|first=G\|coauthors=Jain, A; Feldman, M; Prosciak, M; Phillips, B; Milner, S\|title=Red blood cell transfusion following burn.\|journal=Burns : journal of the International Society for Burn Injuries\|date=2011 Aug\|volume=37\|issue=5\|pages=742-52\|pmid=21367529\|}}</ref>	Y	Y	PMID 21367529: Review
<ref name=Tint2010>{{cite book \|author=Tintinalli, Judith E. \|title=Emergency Medicine: A Comprehensive Study Guide (Emergency Medicine (Tintinalli)) \|publisher=McGraw-Hill Companies \|location=New York \|year=2010 \|pages=1374-1386\|isbn=0-07-148480-9 \|oclc= \|doi= \|accessdate=}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?
<ref name=Was2008>{{cite journal \|author=Wasiak J, Cleland H, Campbell F \|title=Dressings for superficial and partial thickness burns \|journal=Cochrane Database Syst Rev \|volume= \|issue=4 \|pages=CD002106 \|year=2008 \|pmid=18843629 \|doi=10.1002/14651858.CD002106.pub3 \|url= \|editor1-last=Wasiak \|editor1-first=Jason}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?	PMID 18843629: Review
<ref>{{cite journal \|author=Hubley P \|title=Review: evidence on dressings for superficial burns is of poor quality \|journal=Evid Based Nurs \|volume=12 \|issue=3 \|pages=78 \|year=2009 \|month=July \|pmid=19553415 \|doi=10.1136/ebn.12.3.78 \|url=}}</ref>	This is a comment (letter to the editor) and not the actual Cochrane review article it's commenting on	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?	PMID 19553415: Comment; can you find better sourcing or just consider removing this plus the tiny bit of article content it sources. Good find. Have removed as the better ref does not support. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 01:36, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Y
<ref>{{cite journal\|last=Storm-Versloot\|first=MN\|coauthors=Vos, CG; Ubbink, DT; Vermeulen, H\|title=Topical silver for preventing wound infection\|journal=Cochrane database of systematic reviews (Online)\|date=2010 Mar 17\|issue=3\|pages=CD006478\|pmid=20238345\|doi=10.1002/14651858.CD006478.pub2\|editor1-last=Storm-Versloot\|editor1-first=Marja N}}</ref>	Y	Y	PMID 20238345: Review
<ref>{{cite journal\|last=Dumville\|first=JC\|coauthors=Munson, C\|title=Negative pressure wound therapy for partial-thickness burns.\|journal=Cochrane database of systematic reviews (Online)\|date=2012 Dec 12\|volume=12\|pages=CD006215\|pmid=23235626\|}}</ref>	Y	Y	PMID 23235626: Review;
<ref>{{cite journal\|last=Zachariah\|first=JR\|coauthors=Rao, AL; Prabha, R; Gupta, AK; Paul, MK; Lamba, S\|title=Post burn pruritus--a review of current treatment options.\|journal=Burns : journal of the International Society for Burn Injuries\|date=2012 Aug\|volume=38\|issue=5\|pages=621-9\|pmid=22244605\|}}</ref>	Y	Y	PMID 22244605: Review
<ref name=Anti2010>{{cite journal \|author=Avni T, Levcovich A, Ad-El DD, Leibovici L, Paul M \|title=Prophylactic antibiotics for burns patients: systematic review and meta-analysis \|journal=BMJ \|volume=340 \|issue= \|pages=c241 \|year=2010 \|pmid=20156911 \|pmc=2822136 \|doi= 10.1136/bmj.c241\|url=}}</ref>	Y	Y	PMID 20156911: Meta-Analysis, Review; article content needs to be made closer to source Adjusted recommendation.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 01:40, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Y
<ref>{{cite book\|last=Jeschke\|first=Marc\|title=Handbook of Burns Volume 1: Acute Burn Care\|year=2012\|publisher=Springer\|isbn=9783709103487\|page=266\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=olshnFqCI0kC&pg=PA266}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?
<ref name=Surgery2009>{{cite journal\|last=Orgill\|first=DP\|coauthors=Piccolo, N\|title=Escharotomy and decompressive therapies in burns.\|journal=Journal of burn care & research : official publication of the American Burn Association\|date=2009 Sep-Oct\|volume=30\|issue=5\|pages=759-68\|pmid=19692906\|}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?	PMID 19692906: Review
<ref>{{cite journal\|last=Cianci\|first=P\|coauthors=Slade JB, Jr; Sato, RM; Faulkner, J\|title=Adjunctive hyperbaric oxygen therapy in the treatment of thermal burns.\|journal=Undersea & hyperbaric medicine : journal of the Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society, Inc\|date=2013 Jan-Feb\|volume=40\|issue=1\|pages=89–108\|pmid=23397872\|}}</ref>	Y	Y	PMID 23397872: Review
<ref>{{cite journal \|author=Villanueva E, Bennett MH, Wasiak J, Lehm JP \|title=Hyperbaric oxygen therapy for thermal burns \|journal=Cochrane Database Syst Rev \|volume= \|issue=3 \|pages=CD004727 \|year=2004 \|pmid=15266540 \|doi=10.1002/14651858.CD004727.pub2 \|url= \|editor1-last=Wasiak \|editor1-first=Jason}}</ref>			PMID 15266540: Review; Cochrane review but from 2004, used to source "more research is needed" RemovedDoc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 01:10, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Y
<ref>{{cite journal \|author=Jull AB, Rodgers A, Walker N \|title=Honey as a topical treatment for wounds \|journal=Cochrane Database Syst Rev \|volume= \|issue=4 \|pages=CD005083 \|year=2008 \|pmid=18843679 \|doi=10.1002/14651858.CD005083.pub2 \|url= \|editor1-first=Andrew B \|editor1-last=Jull}}</ref>	Y	Y	PMID 18843679: Review
<ref name=LMIC2006>{{cite journal\|last=Forjuoh\|first=SN\|title=Burns in low- and middle-income countries: a review of available literature on descriptive epidemiology, risk factors, treatment, and prevention.\|journal=Burns : journal of the International Society for Burn Injuries\|date=2006 Aug\|volume=32\|issue=5\|pages=529-37\|pmid=16777340\|}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?	PMID 16777340: Review
<ref>{{cite book \|author=Ric G. Steele PhD; Michael Laitman PhD \|title=Handbook of Pediatric Psychology, Fourth Edition \|publisher=The Guilford Press \|location=New York \|year=2010 \|pages=174-176 \|isbn=1-60918-175-1 \|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=niMTm_3_KBoC&pg=PA174}}</ref>	Y	Y	Seems to be a funny use of this source, which only discusses burns in the referenced section as a pain-generating source for the study of the various techniques, the inverse (which is what the article content is basically saying) wasn't really studied; also article content says "people" but source is pediatrics Changed Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 16:54, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] YI see replaced with Herdon, good
<ref name=ABA2012pg10>National Burn Repository, Pg. 10</ref>	Y	Y
<ref>{{cite book\|last=Young\|first=editors, Christopher King, Fred M. Henretig ; associate editors, Brent R. King ... [et al.] ; illustrator, Christine D.\|title=Textbook of pediatric emergency procedures\|year=2008\|publisher=Wolters Kluwer Health/Lippincott Williams & Wilkins\|location=Philadelphia\|isbn=9780781753869\|page=1077\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=Xi0rlODiFY0C&pg=PA1077\|edition=2nd}}</ref>	Y	Y
<ref name=EMP2009>{{cite journal\|last=Granger\|first=Joyce\|title=An Evidence-Based Approach to Pediatric Burns\|journal=Pediatric Emergency Medicine Practice\|year=2009\|month=Jan\|volume=6\|issue=1\|url=http://www.ebmedicine.net/topics.php?paction=showTopic&topic_id=186}}</ref>	Y	Y	Concerned that this source "EB Approach" covers pediatric cases but is being used in article to source healing times and other things for non-pediatrics. I'd imagine pediatrics have faster healing times. Look in the table for Superficial, article says "2-7 days" sourced both to this pediatrics-focused "EB Approach" and also Tintinallis. "EB Approach" does not actually give healing time for superficial, it just says pain subsides after 2 days but more healing needs to happen after 2 days; Tintinallis says "usually heal in about 7 days". For superficial-partial "EB Approach" says healing time 1-2 weeks but Tintinallis says 14-21 days (2-3 weeks). Please double-check this whole table, it should probably list pediatrics vs. adult expectations separately. I cannot find any literature which states burns in children heal faster than adults. While this is true for bone I do not know about skin. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 17:36, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] YBetter now, handling with ranges works
<ref name=Juck2009>{{cite journal\|last=Juckett\|first=G\|coauthors=Hartman-Adams, H\|title=Management of keloids and hypertrophic scars.\|journal=American family physician\|date=2009 Aug 1\|volume=80\|issue=3\|pages=253-60\|pmid=19621835\|}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?	PMID 19621835: Review
<ref name=Psyc2009>{{cite book\|last=Roberts\|first=edited by Michael C.\|title=Handbook of pediatric psychology.\|year=2009\|publisher=Guilford\|location=New York\|isbn=9781609181758\|page=421\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=niMTm_3_KBoC&pg=PA421\|edition=4th}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?
<ref>{{cite web \|url=http://www.who.int/healthinfo/global_burden_disease/estimates_country/en/index.html \|title=WHO Disease and injury country estimates \|year=2009 \|work=World Health Organization \|accessdate=Nov. 11, 2009}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?
<ref name=Epi2011>{{cite journal\|last=Peck\|first=MD\|title=Epidemiology of burns throughout the world. Part I: Distribution and risk factors\|journal=Burns : journal of the International Society for Burn Injuries\|date=2011 Nov\|volume=37\|issue=7\|pages=1087–100\|pmid=21802856\|doi=10.1016/j.burns.2011.06.005}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?	PMID 21802856: Review
<ref name=Ed2005>{{cite journal\|last=Edlich\|first=RF\|coauthors=Farinholt, HM; Winters, KL; Britt, LD; Long WB, 3rd\|title=Modern concepts of treatment and prevention of electrical burns.\|journal=Journal of long-term effects of medical implants\|date=2005\|volume=15\|issue=5\|pages=511-32\|pmid=16218900\|}}</ref>	Y	Y	PMID 16218900: Comparative Study, Review; source limits "1,000 deaths a year" to the US, article content does not. If you look at the section it is in the section is called "United States" so it does refer to just the USA. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 01:06, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Oh yeah... Y
<ref name=RosenChp140>{{cite book\|last=Marx\|first=John\|title=Rosen's emergency medicine : concepts and clinical practice\|year=2010\|publisher=Mosby/Elsevier\|location=Philadelphia\|isbn=0323054722\|edition=7th\|chapter=140}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?	Pls fill in actual chapter name. Done Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 01:57, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Y
<ref name=Ahu2004>{{cite journal\|last=Ahuja\|first=RB\|coauthors=Bhattacharya, S\|title=Burns in the developing world and burn disasters.\|journal=BMJ (Clinical research ed.)\|date=2004 Aug 21\|volume=329\|issue=7463\|pages=447-9\|pmid=15321905\|}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?	PMID 15321905: Review
<ref name=Peck2012>{{cite journal\|last=Peck\|first=MD\|title=Epidemiology of burns throughout the World. Part II: intentional burns in adults.\|journal=Burns : journal of the International Society for Burn Injuries\|date=2012 Aug\|volume=38\|issue=5\|pages=630-7\|pmid=22325849\|}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?	PMID 22325849: Review
<ref name=TBCChp1>{{cite book\|editor=Herndon D\|\|title=Total burn care\|publisher=Saunders\|location=Edinburgh\|isbn=9781437727869\|pages=1\|url=http://books.google.ca/books?id=nrG7ZY4QwQAC&printsec=frontcover\|edition=4th\|chapter=Chapter 1: History and Treatment of Burns}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?
<ref name=Rosen2009>{{cite book\|last=Marx\|first=John\|title=Rosen's emergency medicine : concepts and clinical practice\|year=2010\|publisher=Mosby/Elsevier\|location=Philadelphia\|isbn=9780323054720\|edition=7th \|chapter=60}}</ref>	Y	style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #EEE); color: var(--color-base, black); vertical-align: middle; white-space: nowrap; text-align: center; " class="table-Unknown" \| ?	Pls fill in actual chapter name. Done Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 01:57, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Y

Post-GA suggestions

In general, I see some suboptimal sourcing to support content that should be very easy to support with better sources. It'd be nice to purge all the non-top tier sourcing used just one time to support stuff that should be sourced to up to date specialist textbooks. It would well cut down on the number of sources used. For these cases, what's used is good enough for GA but the article sourcing quality overall would improve if this were done.

Yes will update to total burn care 4th edition when it arrives. I am traveling right now so might be a little slow making these changes. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 13:35, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nearly every sentence in History is passive voice, use more active voice. Zad68 13:37, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I will need to figure out the difference between active and passive voice. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 13:49, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's the difference between: "This was then expanded into 6 degrees by Guillaume Dupuytren in 1832." (passive voice) and "In 1832, Guillaume Dupuytren expanded it into 6 degrees." (active voice), or "The significance of the hypermetabolic state that follows large burns was realized in the 1970s." (passive voice) and "In the 1970s, researchers demonstrated the significance of the hypermetabolic state that follows large burns." (active voice) Any time you use something like "was realized" or "was found" etc. without saying WHO realized or found, etc. you're using the passive voice. Active voice is better, but is often harder to use, because we are most often interested in saying WHAT was found rather than WHO did it, and to use active voice you are often required to look up the WHO (unless you use a cop-out like I just did by saying "researchers" instead of naming them). Zad68 13:59, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks and added more active voice. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 03:51, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great article! Just a minor note: The lead section mentions, as causes, "heat, electricity, chemicals, friction, or radiation". That's the last time that friction is mentioned in the article, which seems a bit of a disconnect.-- John Broughton (♫♫) 19:05, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]