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Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2021

Currently the article says that waste is disposed of to municipal sewers. But the paper it cites was written before the tower was completed, and there are numerous more recent published articles saying that, in common with some other large buildings in Dubai, the waste is actually removed by a stream of trucks because the city services are insufficiently developed. The plumbing section should be updated accordingly. 145.40.161.188 (talk) 20:20, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:55, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

it is obvious that wikipedia has been manipulated to hide some embarrassing facts (one example on reddit). i think that a link to sanitation in Dubai is mandatory though that very article strangely doesn't mention the burj khalifa problem when sources are abundant (inhabitat, smithsonian mag, gizmodo) − 2A01:E0A:4EA:8C50:ECEA:FD81:6B09:D1A1 (talk) 21:33, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

The Smithsonian Mag source just links to Inhabitat, which is described as a blog and probably not a great RS. The Gizmodo source link back to an NPR interview and transcript, which is probably much better. There's also a Salon page that traces back to the same NPR interview.

That said, this all ultimately comes from Kate Ascher, who also wrote a book on the subject of skyscrapers at the time. She does suggest that "there is a municipal system that is being invested in, and I assume will connect all of these tall buildings at some point in the near future".

The current source for disposal to the municipal sewers does seem to be legitimate. However, it only says that "a point of connection with the city municipal sewer is provided" from all its internal facilities— Not that it's actually hooked up to the city or even that the city would be able to support it, which was the idea challenged by Ascher.

So AFAICT, the facts per RS are as follows:

• The building itself technically has the ability to be connected to a municipal sewer system.
• The municipal infrastructure was not actually able to support the building when it was finished.
• Because of that, the building did in fact have to have its waste removed by a stream of trucks.
• This may have changed over time, but I could not find any RS saying so.

Intralexical (talk) 13:01, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Here is the revision that added the current information about the sewer connection ability.

Here is the revision that removed the text "truck"— Though it's been hidden, and based on earlier revisions I think it might have found an unrelated substring instead.

Intralexical (talk) 13:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Given that the existing text, claiming that the waste water system drains to the 'city municipal sewer' was written before the Burj was completed (and consists of 'solutions proposed' by the architects), it cannot possibly be WP:RS for the connection actually existing, and accordingly I have removed the statement. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:42, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

no sewers

not mentioned in the "plumbing" section is the fact that, like most of Dubais skyscrapers, there is no sewer connection, all wastes are trucked out of the city instead.

i would have thought it warrents a mention at least. 82.9.104.192 (talk) 10:58, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

As you will see above, the issue has been discussed, and at various times the article has said various things on the subject. The problem however is one of sourcing. It appears from what I've been able to ascertain that the Burj Khalifa itself has always had a fully-functioning internal sewage system built in, but when the Burj was completed, it wasn't connected to the existing infrastructure, which was then unable to cope, hence the trucks. In more recent times, work appears to have been done on the Dubai sewerage infrastructure, leading to claims that the trucks are no longer needed. If this is actually the case, what the article needs is a proper summary of the entire story from start to finish: plans, trucks, and eventual solution. But we can't do that unless we have the sources to do so, and most of what we've seen so far is problematic, one way or another: either because it doesn't meet Wikipedia's requirements for reliable sourcing, or because it is dated, and doesn't give a full chronology. If what you say is true, and even now the Burj isn't connected to the infrastructure, the article should clearly say so, but we need a source for that. A credible one, rather than yet another copy-cat YouTube video showing a line of orange trucks that may or may not have been carrying Burj Khalifa sewage at some unspecified point in time. Likewise, if the Burj sewerage system is functionally connected, we need a proper source for that too - one stating when the connection was made, rather than merely asserting that it was in the plans from the start. Failing sourcing for either, it is probably wiser to say nothing than go through endless cycles of edit-warring over things we don't have the full story on. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:25, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

"Surpassed by"

The article infobox currently lists "Jeddah Tower (expected)" in the "surpassed by" section. As Burj Khalifa is presented in the article as currently the tallest building in the world, I believe it is more reasonable not to have a "surpassed by" section yet. Let it be added when it indeed is surpassed - or "if" it is, as the Jeddah Tower's construction is currently halted with no prevision of conclusion. Anyone agrees / disagrees? Thank you. Dan Palraz (talk) 10:22, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Grammar Correction

Window Cleaning has a grammatical error:

To wash the 24,348 windows, totaling 120,000 m2 (1,290,000 sq ft) of glass, the building has three horizontal tracks, which each holding...

80.132.232.159 (talk) 11:33, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:55, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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massive fire pre-new years

Massive fire on December 31st should be discussed. Matthurricane (talk)

What year? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:E287:1900:3123:98DB:D357:AADE (talk) 23:43, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Please fix

In this article (and others), it says that the burj kalifa is a "bundled tube design" when it is actually a "buttressed core design" 2600:387:0:80D:0:0:0:4F (talk) 13:14, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

We'd need a citation to a reliable source for that. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:36, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Change of name

"hence the changing of the name to "Burj Khalifa" (from the intro) this is meaningless, as the intro does not state what the previous name was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.41.92.9 (talk) 09:28, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes it does, in the very first sentence - "known as the Burj Dubai prior to its inauguration". Kiwipete (talk) 09:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2022

Restaurants in Burj Khalifa

The residents of Burj Khalifa get access to the ornate dining spots. These restaurants offer spectacular views and an opulent atmosphere. If you are not abode in Burj Khalifa, you can make a reservation in its restaurants as a guest too. This article lists Burj Khalifa restaurants to make it easy for you to pick one. Most of the restaurants in Burj Khalifa are located in the renowned Armani Hotel.

At.mosphere Restaurant

Located on the 122nd floor of the sky-high tower, At.mosphere is one of the highest restaurants in the world. Imagine yourself touring the magnificent city of Dubai and ending up at At.mosphere for an exquisite meal. Breakfast options, lunches, dinner, this restaurant has got it all amalgamated with a diverse view of the whole city. You can also opt for High Tea at At.mosphere. High Tea can be accompanied by crispy roasts and vegetables. Apart from that, there is a wide range of desserts to select from. High Tea is a perfect option if you enjoy tasting multiple dishes and killing boredom with food. On Tuesdays, At.mosphere hosts a Secret Ladies Night – a perfect occasion for female guests to enjoy at the restaurant’s lounge with music and world-renowned DJs, and unlimited beverages. The timing of the Night is from 9 pm to 12 am starting at 250 AED.

Armani/Hashi Restaurant

This restaurant in Burj Khalifa is located on Armani Hotel’s concourse floor. The view from this restaurant is majestic – a panoramic sight of the Downtown Dubai skyline. Armani restaurant focuses on Japanese cuisine mainly. The dishes feature seafood cooked and served in Japanese style. Apart from seafood, the restaurant also serves dishes such as Yakitori, Yaki Mame, and Wagyu Karubi. The restaurant remains open from 6:30 pm to 11:30 pm and remains close on Friday and Saturday.

Armani/Kaf

This dine-in spot is also in Armani Hotel; its location is Concourse floor, Armani Hotel. This dinner facility is the first kosher-certified restaurant in the UAE. One special thing to note here is that this restaurant offers a special takeaway menu for the Jewish Sabbath. The timing is from 6:30 pm to 11:30 pm and remains closed on Monday.

Armani/Ristorante

This is one of the finest restaurants in the Armani Hotel. The food, the wines, the atmosphere, everything about this restaurant is superlative. The menu focuses on Italian cuisine, meat-based dishes, and seafood dishes. One thing that adds to the value is the spectacular view of the Dubai Fountain from the terrace. The restaurant remains open from 12:30 pm to 3 pm for lunch, and from 6:00 pm to 11:00 pm for dinner. A strict dress code is followed.

Armani Deli

Another Burj Khalifa restaurant is located on the ground floor of the Armani Hotel. This restaurant is famous for its European foods, especially Italian cuisine. An opulent attraction of this restaurant is its famous Friday brunch. If you are a food lover and like to taste different foods in a high-end environment, this is the restaurant for you!

Armani Amal

This one is for Indian Food Lovers! Located in Armani Hotel, Third floor, this restaurant offers a selection of Indian cuisine, curries with table sides. The restaurant remains open from 6:30 pm to 11:30 pm and remains closed on Sunday. The restaurants in Burj Khalifa are popular dining destinations. If you are planning to pay a visit to any of the above-mentioned restaurants, we advise you to book your table in advance so you do not feel stood up. Also, make sure you are appropriately attired; most restaurants have a strict dress code. JellyBellyKid (talk) 11:55, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. There needs to be reliable sourcing for each of these to show they are due for inclusion. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:03, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

https://blog.skyloov.com/en/restaurants-in-burj-khalifa/ JellyBellyKid (talk) 13:00, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

please discard this edit. consider the one below JellyBellyKid (talk) 13:01, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2022 (2)

Restaurants in Burj Khalifa

The residents of Burj Khalifa get access to one of the most luxurious dining spots in Dubai. These restaurants offer spectacular views and a lavish atmosphere. You can make a reservation in the Burj Khalifa's restaurants even if you don't live there. Most of the restaurants in Burj Khalifa are located in the renowned Armani Hotel and to get admission into the restaurant, you should be dressed adequately. The following restaurants are located in the Armani Hotel.

At.mosphere Restaurant

Located on the 122nd floor of the sky-high tower, At.mosphere is one of the highest restaurants in the world. On Tuesdays, At.mosphere hosts a Secret Ladies Night – The female guests get to enjoy the restaurant’s lounge with music and world-renowned DJs, and unlimited beverages.

Armani Hashi Restaurant

This restaurant in Burj Khalifa is located on Armani Hotel’s concourse floor. Armani Hashi Restaurant focuses mainly on Japanese cuisine. The dishes feature seafood cooked and served in Japanese style.

Armani Kaf

This restaurant is on the Concourse floor of Armani Hotel. This dinner facility is the first kosher-certified restaurant in the UAE.

Armani Ristorante

This is one of the finest restaurants in the Armani Hotel. The menu focuses on Italian cuisine, meat-based dishes, and seafood dishes.

Armani Deli

The restaurant is located on the ground floor of the Armani Hotel. This restaurant is famous for its European foods, especially Italian cuisine.

Armani Amal

Armani Amal is an Indian cuisine restaurant. Located on the Third floor in the Armani Hotel, this restaurant offers a selection of Indian cuisine, curries with table sides.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. This continues to need reliable secondary sources independent of the restaurants to show they are due for inclusion. Any more duplicate requests will be removed. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:59, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

https://blog.skyloov.com/en/restaurants-in-burj-khalifa/ JellyBellyKid (talk) 13:01, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Blogs are not reliable sources. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:23, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

the mail source of this information is from their respective websites. JellyBellyKid (talk) 11:24, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

That's the issue. Without coverage in reliable, secondary sources the information is WP:UNDUE. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:26, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Backlogs of burj khalifa

Burn Khalifa socks over 30000 gallon of water per day More Adittya (talk) 10:45, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2022

Burn Khalifa is a major tourist attraction in UAE. 2406:B400:B1:EF2A:C889:FEB3:B72D:9974 (talk) 10:42, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. MadGuy7023 (talk) 11:27, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2022 (2)

I want to correct some of the grammar mistake More Adittya (talk) 10:47, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. MadGuy7023 (talk) 11:27, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2022

In the article, it states "The building has 57 elevators and 8 escalators.[44] The elevators have a capacity of 12 to 14 people per cabin, the fastest rising and descending at up to 10 m/s (33 ft/s) for double-deck elevators. However, the world's fastest single-deck elevator still belongs to Taipei 101 at 16.83 m/s (55.2 ft/s). Engineers had considered installing the world's first triple-deck elevators, but the final design called for double-deck elevators.[24] The double-deck elevators are equipped with entertainment features such as LCD displays to serve visitors during their travel to the observation deck.[56] The building has 2,909 stairs from the ground floor to the 160th floor.[57]."

However, the fastest elevators are not in Taipei 101 as they are in the Guangzhou CTF Finance Center, with its top speed of 21 meters per second. JonathanLi12 (talk) 15:11, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RealAspects (talk) 06:56, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Hymenocalis - not a desert plant

Under Features: Park, this line appears:

"Like the tower, the park's design was based on the flower of the Hymenocallis, a desert plant."

Hymenocallis is not a desert plant. It's native to the Americas, and while it's drought-tolerant once established, it grows mostly in swamps and other wet environments. 199.120.252.122 (talk) 18:31, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

it has no sewage system, it is trucked away

2603:6011:4A03:48F4:A511:69D5:8E5D:236A (talk) 02:37, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Find a reliabe source that explicitly states this, and we can discuss including it in the article. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:01, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 16:36, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

The floor plan is no longer correct.

There are 3 groups of floors with an observation deck that can be visited at the Burj Khalifa. (see: https://tickets.atthetop.ae/atthetop/en-us ). The highest group with an outdoor observation deck comprises of floors 152-153 and 154. This is called "World’s highest lounge". Secondly you have floor 148 with an observation deck and which is called "At the Top, Burj Khalifa SKY". Lastly you have floors 124 and 125 that can be visited, which is referred to as "At the Top, Burj Khalifa". LodeVdd (talk) 07:53, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Faulty link in right panel

Under "Technical details", "154 + 9 maintenance" has a faulty link to #Floor_plan (it has an extra 's'). Removing the 's' should fix it! Thank you! Axmszr (talk) 23:37, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

 Done: I've removed the "s" so that the link now works as intended, hope this is of help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 22:23, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Seems to work now :D 137.132.26.170 (talk) 02:28, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Height of the Building

It has actually increased in height recently. It has increased by 2 feet. 2600:1014:A010:C1F0:2C45:3F8B:BF18:8DC4 (talk) 23:08, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Height error

later on February 18, 2019, the Burj Khalifa opened The Lounge observatory at 584 m (1,916 ft) making it the highest lounge in the world, However the Shanghai Tower opened in June 2016 with an observation deck at a height of 561 metres so taking the title of the world's highest observation deck.

It seems the height does not match up with the statements said. 561 meters is ~1840 ft. Utaninja (talk) 08:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Longest Elevator???

How can you claim this record??? 15:57, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2023

X Death Coroner's report referral has been removed Y 197.94.237.188 (talk) 11:55, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 11:58, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

X mention of the Coroner's report Y https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/578320/Woman-suicide-Burj-Khalifa-Dubai-mother-cover-up LeonaLeeSykes (talk) 17:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Please read the responses to your later edit request below. And then discuss any proposed content there. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:32, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2023

Information has been deleted or altered in the Deadly Incidents section of this page by I believe by the Emir of Wikipedia. https://lauravanessanunes.com/2023/11/15/who-is-the-emir-of-wikipedia/ My daughter's name has been deleted, reference to the Coroner's Report issued by the government of Dubai which states my daughter's body was found on the third floor of the Burj Khalifa, has been deleted. Entry altered: Emails obtained under the Freedom of Information Act from Portugal's embassy in the UAE also confirmed that Laura Nunes had committed suicide from the 148th floor of the Burj Khalifa. It now reads: Ref 128: Emails obtained by Nine News from Portugal’s embassy in the UAE indicated she jumped from 148th floor of the Burj Khalifa. Note: 'indicated' not confirmed. ' LeonaLeeSykes (talk) 15:43, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Please don't cite your personal blog here - we aren't going to take anything contained in it into account, since we base content on sources meeting WP:RS guidelines only. As for the death concerned, the article already cites the Australian Nine News website regarding the emails you mention. If you wish to propose further content, you will have to be more specific. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:58, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@LeonaLeeSykes: I've added the name and the information on the freedom of information laws, which are already provided in existing sources. Please provide a link to the coroner's report so that we can evaluate whether it is a reliable source or not. Liu1126 (talk) 16:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

We tend to avoid citing coroner's reports and similar court documents, as primary sources which can sometimes be difficult for non-specialists to understand. I suspect the name may have been omitted previously out of privacy concerns. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Good point on the coroner's report, I didn't think about that. I believe including the name is fine by the current version of WP:BLPNAME, since all three sources on the event mention it, but maybe consensus was different in the past. Liu1126 (talk) 16:33, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 16:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Given LeonaLeeSykes later edits (in various places), it seems clear that we need to discuss this in terms of what exactly we say about this unfortunate event: it isn't a simple matter of substituting a few words. It would help greatly if we first collated what sources are available here. Once we've done that, we will be in a better position to decide how to proceed. It should probably be noted that the Daily Express is considered a questionable source by Wikipedia, and personally I'm less than impressed by the other sources currently being cited in the article. I'll see if I can find anything better, and ask that others do the same. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

The Daily Express has pictures of most of the first page of the Coroner's report which is why I selected it as a source. If you need anything from me please let me know. As mentioned before I have the Coroner's Report, but I also have the emails from Luis Camara Deputy Head of Mission and Consul from the Embassy of Portugal obtained by 9news in terms of The Freedom of Information Act. I appreciate all the assistance I'm receiving and I apologise if I'm not very knowledgeable navigating Wikipedia. As the location of my daughter's death remains controversial due to the government of Dubai's denial all I want to do is provide a referral to very relevant evidence as to the location of her death. Thank you. LeonaLeeSykes (talk) 02:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia policy, we cannot cite emails, a coroners' report (if that is what it is - it says it is a "medical forensic report"), or other documents you have in your personal possession: we only cite published material. Frankly though I can't see what the issue is anyway, since the article currently states that the Dubai police's claim regarding the location of the incident was disproven. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:12, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you AndyTheGrump. I did not realise that only published material could be cited on Wikipedia. The forensic report was sent to me as a Coroner's Report, and it is solid proof that Laura fell from the Burj Khalifa, but be that as it may, it has no relevance as it cannot be cited. My issue with the the article was that I felt it didn't fully disprove the Dubai police's claim regarding the location of her death, but I am now satisfied and happy with your opinion of the matter. Thank you so much for your assistance. LeonaLeeSykes (talk) 04:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Massive duplication of information; better organization

The "Conception" section, "Development" section, the "Architecture and Design" section, and the "Construction" section have massive overlaps. There really should be only two sections: "Architecture and Design", and "Construction".

Also, a more logical flow for the article would be:

• Conception
• Architecture and Design
• Construction (including what is now Controversies)
• Opening and real estate values
• Features
• Events (Ramadan observance, New Year's Eve, BASE jumping, Climbing)
• Records
• Awards
• Floor plan

-- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC)