Talk:Burdett Road railway station

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Dubious dates

Either the opening date is wrong - I suspect c 1848 to be more accurate but cannot find anything in the material I have - or the ownership of the station is wrong, as the ECR ceased to exist in 1862 (it became part of the GER in 1862 and the LBR was leased by the GER in 1866).--Davidvaughanwells (talk) 13:50, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Butt (1995) (p. 48) indicates that the station was opened on 11 September 1871 by the GER. No mention of either the ECR or LBR. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks--Davidvaughanwells (talk) 20:45, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have found a book which has enabled me to reconstruct a more accurate history of the station (hopefully post later this week). I think the original entry confuses operation of the line after 1854 (when it was LBER ECR) and operation of the station. It is feasible the station was joint LTSR/GER as I think they were good neighbours (at least until the Midland took over the former in 1912) and the only way that I can think to confirm this is a Bradshaws of the period (which I do not have - can you help?)--Davidvaughanwells (talk) 09:14, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The line out of Fenchurch Street - including the line opened in 1849 between Stepney and Bow (Fenchurch Str. Line Junction on this map), via Burdett Road, was London & Blackwall Railway. This was worked by the LTSR until the end of 1865; from 1 January 1866 it was leased to the Great Eastern. The LTSR (and its successors the Midland and the LMS) retained running powers over the London & Blackwall between Fenchurch Street and Gas Factory Junction, but never owned or leased this stretch. The London & Blackwall was never owned by the GER, and remained a legally separate entity until the start of 1923, when it was absorbed by the newly-formed LNER.

So between 1866 and 1922, Burdett Road was simultaneously: owned by the London & Blackwall; leased to the Great Eastern; and had services operated by both the GER and LTSR. It was not a joint line or station, nor were they were joint services, because east of Gas Factory Junction, the routes and destinations were different. The GER's lease of the line meant that they managed the line and station, and were responsible for all expenses - but still had to hand over a proportion of the receipts to the London & Blackwall, which paid a dividend to its shareholders. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:29, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again - I had found some material this but had not got my head around the complexities. If I post some of this text can you add an appropriate reference?