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The spelling of Kabbalah, Qabalah, Kabalah, ... Just as the article Kabbalah uses one consistent english spelling throughout the article, I think we should here.

Here's the quandery: Although the generally accepted practice is to spell Qoph Beth Lamed Heh (קַבָּלָה) as 'Kabbalah' (See http://www.nostradamus.net/files/uahc1977.pdf and http://urj.org/_kd/go.cfm?destination=ShowItem&Item_ID=4029), Case and B.O.T.A. spell[ed] it 'Qabalah'. My suggestion is to spell it 'Qabalah' throughout the article (just as B.O.T.A. does and its founder Paul Case did.) Further, we can set all the links to refer to 'Kabbalah' but to display 'Qabalah' like this Qabalah. This is the pattern on many of the Thelema/related articles, and by analogy how several articles handle the related 'Cabala' vs. 'Kabbalah' question.

For those wanting to weigh in on this, check out the article on transliterating Hebrew into English: Romanization_of_Hebrew which makes the statement "Hebrew-to-English transliteration is wildly inconsistent. Different standards occur simultaneously, often in the same document." Duquette would say arguing over spelling is worse than pointless, and he may well be correct.--Jason Richards 17:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Since there've been no objections, I'll go ahead and make the change.--Jason Richards 18:28, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Vandalism

A user, or users has been repeatedly blanking the article -- save for a section about the BOTA's policy on homosexuals -- I've reverted the article twice -- I'm going to stop now so as not to run afoul of 3RR -- I'd appreciate it if an admin would intervene. Zero sharp 02:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of, what happened to that section? There's no mention of all the criticism BOTA received a couple years ago for preventing the admission of gays. Paralysisordeath (talk) 18:40, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and removed the reference to this controversy and associated link. Wikipedia does not allow links to personal pages on social networking sites, and to cite the information on this page as a reference also falls short of Wikipedia standards. It is not appropriate to continue posting this information into this Wikipedia article. --TBliss (talk) 07:37, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Remember that you are trying to give a summary of the B.O.T.A for the lay reader

What I mean is sentences such as this "uses the dramatic image-in-motion method to aid aspirants in creating effective symbology." need to be explained because the average reader, unless they are a member of B.O.T.A, don't know what is meant by the 'image in motion method' in this context, so it doesn't tell them anything. I've gone through the article trying to make it more intelligible for the lay reader with no knowledge of mysticism etc. I may have gone wrong so if for instance you meant experience of the 'One Will' to be experience of oneness with the will of the cosmos/god, rather than experience of their shared group intent, please explain this in simple, encyclopedic language in the article. What I mean is these concepts aren't encyclopedic with out being explained or linked to the relevant article on wiki, it can't be assumed the reader shares your knowledge/perspective. While you are writing, assume they've just heard the name B.O.T.A then searched for it on wikip, and know nothing about it. Write as if writing for your mum (assuming she's not an occultist.) :)Merkinsmum 23:50, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 03:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Beliefs of BOTA

In the Beliefs section, I added that Qabalah is beleived to be the root Islam, as well as of Judiasm and Christianity. I hope that this is not found to be controversial but from my own research, on and off the Internet, I believe this to be true. This article, for example, http://www.webofqabalah.com/id101.html points out the similarity between some aspects of Muslim thought and the four worlds of Kabbalah and Qabalah.Horsechestnut (talk) 18:56, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]