Talk:Bronx (disambiguation)

Bronx Bombers and Bronx Cheer — discussion moved from User talk:Shakescene

Regarding your contribution to the page, please keep in mind that the disambiguation page is for subjects that are associated with the same title (ie "Bronx" or "The Bronx"), not subjects that happen to have "Bronx" in the title. The page is not meant to be a glossary. Both "Bronx cheer" and "Bronx Bombers" redirect to other article titles as well. Feel free to contact me if you have any concerns. Just64helpin (talk) 17:39, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[Please excuse any unintended snippiness; I'm just trying to explain my thinking, not to score points or attack anyone.]

What something "should" be has less weight with me than how well it serves the average casual uninitiated reader or browser, who's just curious about a reference he or she has encountered to the Bronx Bombers or a Bronx Cheer. (Saying they "should" go to Wiktionary, etc., makes superior assumptions about their own knowledge, initiative, habits, behavior and convenience, elevating Wikipedia convention over their own needs.)

I think this might be useful, it's only two items and it might save the trouble of searching for obscure references buried well within The Bronx. In other words, I can't see what harm is caused relative to the possible benefit.

There's no consistent pattern in disambiguation pages; many include a place name's use within a phrase or term after its instances as a proper noun. Cf. London (disambiguation), Manhattan (disambiguation), Richmond (disambiguation), Brooklyn (disambiguation), California (disambiguation). And I think the variation's fine, because different place names are used in different ways (i.e., Ignore All Rules, or live and let live). Best wishes, Shakescene (talk) 04:40, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to add that I did not add Bronx Zoo, Bronx River Parkway, Bronx High School of Science, etc. to the disambiguation page because it's pretty clear where to look for them in The Bronx, and that's where indeed they're to be found. Shakescene (talk) 06:51, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Wikipedia:DISAMBIG#What not to include. BTW, if you were looking for "Bronx Bombers", would you type just "Bronx" to look for it? I'm somewhat curious now. Just64helpin (talk) 11:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think that disambiguation pages are used for more than internal Wikipedia searches; your point makes lots of sense applied just to search box queries. But my own personal recollection of encountering or seeking disambiguation pages is more often from other sources, such as hatnotes. And where the connection is counter-intuitive (the Manhattan Project, the Manhattan Transfer) or obscure to the uninitiated (e.g. a foreigner who knows no baseball and sees a passing reference to the Bronx Bomber Joe DiMaggio), I think such a pointer could be useful or time-saving; of course that's not necessary where the reference is direct and obvious (such as the Bronx Zoo) — and I think that's the distinction made by the other disambiguation pages I cited. Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Partial title matches can be read more than one way (ambiguously?), but this is one case where I see a "significant risk of confusion" (someone wasting time ploughing through the Borough article when they should be looking at the raspberry or Yankees articles instead), as opposed to starting a duplicative list of everything that begins with "Bronx".

But I'm more interested in the easiest way of directing non-New York readers than in particular forms. The Bronx is such a long article that I just don't see such a reader jumping down to "See also" at the foot of the page as he or she might with a one-screen article. The rough expedient of making "see also" into a second hatnote seemed the easiest, least-jarring method until someone, perhaps you, can come up with a better, more elegant one that's equally effective.

(Just for your own historical interest, someone this summer turned "Bronx Cheer" into a whole section of The Bronx, which a couple of other editors agreed was unwarranted, and these links are partly the result of demoting and then deleting that whole section. See the discussion at Talk:The Bronx#Bronx cheer.) Shakescene (talk) 06:18, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

the bronx

the bronx is an awesome place you need to go visit it one day toull love it  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.158.225.36 (talk) 23:13, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Bronx

the bronx is an awsome place to go visits they have awesome sightws like the bronx zoo awesome totally kewl go visit the bronx is waiting for some new newcomers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.158.225.36 (talk) 23:16, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]