Talk:Bronislav Kaminski

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Bronislav Kaminski article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Belarus Low‑importance

	Belarus portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Belarus, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Belarus on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.BelarusWikipedia:WikiProject BelarusTemplate:WikiProject BelarusBelarus articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the importance scale.

Soviet Union Mid‑importance

	Soviet Union portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Soviet Union, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Soviet UnionWikipedia:WikiProject Soviet UnionTemplate:WikiProject Soviet UnionSoviet Union articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Germany Mid‑importance

	Germany portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Germany, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Germany on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GermanyWikipedia:WikiProject GermanyTemplate:WikiProject GermanyGermany articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Biography: Military

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the military biography work group (assessed as Mid-importance).

Military history: Biography / European / German / Russian & Soviet / World War II

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history articles

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion not met Coverage and accuracy: criterion met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

Associated task forces:
/
	Military biography task force
	European military history task force
	German military history task force
	Russian, Soviet and CIS military history task force
	World War II task force

Politics Mid‑importance

	Politics portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of politics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PoliticsWikipedia:WikiProject PoliticsTemplate:WikiProject Politicspolitics articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

A member of the Guild of Copy Editors reviewed a version of this article for copy editing. However, a major copy edit was inappropriate at that time because of the issues specified below, or the other tags now found on this article. Once these issues have been addressed, and any related tags have been cleared, please tag the article once again for {{copyedit}}. The Guild welcomes all editors with a good grasp of English. Visit our project page if you are interested in joining!

Untitled

This article makes Kaminski look too benign. --Ch.Zalka 85.2.220.57 15:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Concur. In any book I've read, Kaminski comes out a hellish figure. However, no direct references to (or specific examples of) his crimes are cited, so it'd be great if anybody with more factual knowledge edited the article. 212.188.108.174 01:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC) Dietmar[reply]

There never was a Russian SS division. Kaminsky had a brigade, the Germans planned to expand it into a division and reserved a number for it (29), but the plans were abandoned. You can look up Waffen-SS formations on this very site. While the lists do mention a "Russian SS division 29", the link leads to the article on a brigade with a detailed explanation how it never got to become a division. It's incorrect to say that Kaminsky commanded an SS division.

I also find it very suspicious that a man could be arrested in 1937 (above all other years) for critisizing Stalin, and then five years later he is miraclously out of prison working as an engineer. I saw reports of Kaminsky being jailed for stealing government property - that fits very well with the jail term _and_ the location of his incarceration (he obviously was not sent to Siberia). While it's nice to think (or invent) that Kaminsky was some kind of a political prisoner, there were no political prisoners in 1937 who would get five years, do the time at home, get released and get a nice job later.

Finally, the claim that the Soviet partisans called Kaminsky "the master of the Bryansk forests" is bizzare. It's like saying that the Oklahoma police called Tim McVeigh the master of U-Haul trucks. And is Bin Laden known in the US as the master of exploding planes? Why would the partisans be so nice and flattering about Kaminsky? Moreover, where exactly they called him that? Is there some kind of a partisan newspaper, or a memoir even, where some Russian seriously called an SS general a master of the Bryansk forests? Perhaps, it's just another bullshit in the long line of bullshit in this article?

Also, the article on Kaminsky Brigade is somehow much more informative on Kaminsky's bio than this one. And it does mention specific examples of his crimes, etc. Someone did a very poor job here.

please check the german page of this topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.74.207.198 (talk) 20:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Link to Russian wiki article which appears to have more extensive sources https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9,_%D0%91%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%92%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 Isthisuseful (talk) 08:48, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Link to Polish article with reference to warsaw uprising. https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronis%C5%82aw_Kaminski Isthisuseful (talk) 09:08, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Link to German article https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronislaw_Wladislawowitsch_Kaminski Isthisuseful (talk) 18:34, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This article would benefit from a refresh from someone with knowledge of the subject area. Or alternatively someone who could utilise the Gernam and Russian sources. Isthisuseful (talk) 19:19, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Why do Norman Davies and Andrew Borowiec in their books on the Warsaw Uprising call him Mieczysław Kaminski? DrKiernan (talk) 09:28, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poland-importance

I don't see why he merits inclusion in the Polish military taskforce. Such projects are not usually for their opponents (i.e. fighting in Poland and against Poland does not make every every such soldier important to Poland). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 22:22, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Death

Kaminski's conviction in a court martial seems to be outdated info, as well as that he was "executed for war crimes" that I seem to have seen elsewhere. Germany and the Second World] says that circumstances of his death remain unclear. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:10, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly. Sources give conflicting accounts on this matter.Volunteer Marek (talk) 18:15, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Bronislav Kaminski. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20131203011419/http://wolfschanze.narod.ru/rona.htm to http://wolfschanze.narod.ru/rona.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 10:24, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Name Bronislaw

In text there is information that his name is sometimes "(also transliterated German-style as "Bronislaw")". That's not true, Bronisław is just polish name, Bronislav is English transliteration from Russian. Because he was ethnic Pole, name Bronisław is correct for him, however as he identifed himself as a Russian, name Bronislav is also correct.

So please, delete this "(also transliterated German-style as "Bronislaw")" and write instead "(or Bronisław in Polish)". 2A01:11BF:529:7D00:ED2F:DBCF:E52D:37DA (talk) 17:59, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]