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Page bias

Can't edit this page however the current tone seems very biased - it does not reflect the extremely small scale of UK arms exports to Israel, and seems to imply that they are huge. British Ministers have stated that UK arms exports amount to only 0.02% of Israel's military imports (https://hansard.parliament.uk/pdf/commons/2024-03-26), and this is mostly limited to parts for the American-supplied F-35 which they are contractually obligated to provide.

Additionally, I don't believe this article currently accurately reflects the UK's political position on the conflict. They have been calling for a ceasefire for some time (https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-uk-has-long-called-for-an-immediate-humanitarian-pause-leading-to-a-sustainable-ceasefire-as-the-fastest-way-to-get-hostages-out-and-aid-in-uk-s) and while they do "support the Israeli right to self-defence" they have stated that this is "not unconditional" and that they "expect [them] to abide by international humanitarian law, even when challenged in this way" (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68751550). The article seems to suggest UK support for Israel is akin to that of the US, when the UK has, for example, been abstaining from UN votes rather than voting against like the US (https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/12/1144717) Flobberz (talk) 12:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely! The UK’s arms support to Israel is dwarfed by American arms exports to Israel and also Israel’s very large domestic arms industry, which is currently the world’s 9th largest. Bean guy2 (talk) 21:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not surprising. I also find the section heading titled "Pro-Israel lobby" somewhat contentious. TrottieTrue (talk) 21:28, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: No Consensus - neither numerically, nor in terms of argumentation, is there a consensus on moving this topic. As there was only 1 !vote after the last re-list I see no reason to re-list this again. This close is without prejudice to further proposals, particularly given the fast-chaning nature of the subject covered here. (non-admin closure) FOARP (talk) 10:24, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

British support for Israel in the Israel–Hamas war → United Kingdom and the Israel–Hamas war – Not only match two other articles, Qatar and the United States about their role in this war, but a word like "support" isn't neutral even if the UK policy is to support Israel in this conflict. The article does make mention of opposition to the government support for Israel, therefore this isn't solely about support for Israel. The title should be reflected in a more precise manner than an outright position of support or opposition in the title. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 08:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom Kowal2701 (talk) 18:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom Jebiguess (talk) 22:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now. We do have United States support for Israel in the Israel–Hamas war, Qatari support for Hamas, British support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, United States support for Ukraine in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, Israeli support for Iran during the Iran–Iraq war, French support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, North Korean support for Iran during the Iran–Iraq War, Alleged Pakistani support for Osama bin Laden etc. The title you are proposing is quite contrary to WP:CONSISTENT.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 00:07, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The U.S. Ukraine article was moved by a new user whom I've reverted. However, both the U.S. article and U.K. article about this war include government policy to support Israel but are not just about that support. This does include opposition to the policy. Articles for the Iran-Iraq War only mention government policy throughout and nothing about opposition to said policy. Therefore, a title like that for those articles is fine. The Bin Laden one is more of a notable accusation that Pakistan's government has faced for years and is not really an article about a war, but a related topic in regard to the War on Terror. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 13:01, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The British government position has been overwhelmingly in support of Israel and against Palestinians. Unlike the US supplying weapons to both Iran and Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, the British government has exclusively supplied weapons to Israel. We need to call a WP:SPADE a spade.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 15:07, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Vice regent. Skitash (talk) 21:20, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom . Hogo-2020 (talk) 08:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Vice regent as the proposed title is contrary to WP:CONSISTENT. Ainty Painty (talk) 07:22, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This article needs serious updating now that the UK government has changed. (like changing PM to then-PM, foreign secretary to then-FM, etc.) Yeshivish613 (talk) 16:34, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 20:29, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"British ministers have openly endorsed Israel's forced evacuation orders and unlawful collective punishment of the Gaza Strip, without condemning any of Israel's policies despite the mounting death toll."

David Cameron said while Foreign Secretary that the UK's support for Israel is not unconditional in light of the increasing humanitarian cost, and this sentence doesn't seem as neutral as it could be. Should it be changed? SirShaunIV (talk) 20:53, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On 19 October, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak arrived in Tel Aviv in a two-day visit to "express solidarity with the Israeli people", as the relentless Israeli bombardment of the Gaza Strip has killed over 3,400 Palestinians.

The use of the word "relentless" definitely questions the neutrality. SirShaunIV (talk) 21:06, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Change

Hundreds of Labour councillors wrote to Starmer urging him to call for a ceasefire,^[1] and dozens resigned from the party because they could not in conscience retain membership due to its position.^[2]^[1]^[3]

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Hundreds of Labour councillors wrote to Starmer urging him to call for a ceasefire,^[1] and dozens resigned from the party including former city mayor Claire Darke because they could not in conscience retain membership due to its position.^[4]^[1]^[5]^[6] Some Labour politicians ran as independent candidates in protest against Labour's support for Israel's actions.^[7]

References

^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Neate, Rupert (2 November 2023). "Thursday briefing: The Labour councillors quitting over Keir Starmer's Israel-Hamas ceasefire stance". The Guardian. Archived from the original on 16 November 2023. Retrieved 17 November 2023.
^ Pidd, Helen (16 October 2023). "Labour councillors quit party in protest at Keir Starmer's Israel stance". The Guardian. Archived from the original on 16 November 2023. Retrieved 17 November 2023.
^ Huskisson, Sophie; Cowburn, Ashley (25 October 2023). "All the Labour councillors who have quit over Keir Starmer Israel-Gaza stance". The Mirror. Archived from the original on 14 November 2023. Retrieved 17 November 2023.
^ Pidd, Helen (16 October 2023). "Labour councillors quit party in protest at Keir Starmer's Israel stance". The Guardian. Archived from the original on 16 November 2023. Retrieved 17 November 2023.
^ Huskisson, Sophie; Cowburn, Ashley (25 October 2023). "All the Labour councillors who have quit over Keir Starmer Israel-Gaza stance". The Mirror. Archived from the original on 14 November 2023. Retrieved 17 November 2023.
^ Gall, Caroline (24 June 2024). "Ex-mayor criticises Starmer in resignation letter". BBC News. Archived from the original on 29 July 2024. Retrieved 10 August 2024.
^ Sharland, Hannah (25 June 2024). "More headaches for Starmer as an ex-Labour mayor QUITS over party's Gaza stance". The Canary. Archived from the original on 26 June 2024. Retrieved 10 August 2024.

Qetuadgjzcbm (talk) 18:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 20:42, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bias

the page uses words such as "refuse to condemn unlawful collective punishment" and in the polls it uses biased sources. Someone needs to fix this Yadinbro (talk) 10:19, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The death toll exceeds 186,000 ^[1] 2603:8000:A6F0:ADD0:A937:F159:856F:513F (talk) 00:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 02:00, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

[councillorletter-1] Neate, Rupert (2 November 2023). "Thursday briefing: The Labour councillors quitting over Keir Starmer's Israel-Hamas ceasefire stance". The Guardian. Archived from the original on 16 November 2023. Retrieved 17 November 2023.

[2] Pidd, Helen (16 October 2023). "Labour councillors quit party in protest at Keir Starmer's Israel stance". The Guardian. Archived from the original on 16 November 2023. Retrieved 17 November 2023.

[3] Huskisson, Sophie; Cowburn, Ashley (25 October 2023). "All the Labour councillors who have quit over Keir Starmer Israel-Gaza stance". The Mirror. Archived from the original on 14 November 2023. Retrieved 17 November 2023.

[4] Pidd, Helen (16 October 2023). "Labour councillors quit party in protest at Keir Starmer's Israel stance". The Guardian. Archived from the original on 16 November 2023. Retrieved 17 November 2023.

[5] Huskisson, Sophie; Cowburn, Ashley (25 October 2023). "All the Labour councillors who have quit over Keir Starmer Israel-Gaza stance". The Mirror. Archived from the original on 14 November 2023. Retrieved 17 November 2023.

[6] Gall, Caroline (24 June 2024). "Ex-mayor criticises Starmer in resignation letter". BBC News. Archived from the original on 29 July 2024. Retrieved 10 August 2024.

[7] Sharland, Hannah (25 June 2024). "More headaches for Starmer as an ex-Labour mayor QUITS over party's Gaza stance". The Canary. Archived from the original on 26 June 2024. Retrieved 10 August 2024.

[8] ttps://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

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