Talk:Bridges Cafe/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Usernameunique (talk · contribs) 01:51, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

the cafe was purchased by Tom and Laura Lane-Ruckman — "soon purchased"? But only if there's a cite.
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Description

The cafe was located — I'd use the full name ("Bridges cafe") to lead off the first sentence.
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What's the Arturo Bandini pop-culture reference? I'm missing it...
- I would assume Arturo Bandini (One Life to Live), but since this is not confirmed I figured best not to link. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
as of 2012 — Nothing more recent?
- I always try to use the most recent, if sourcing allows. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

History

Bridges opened in late 1990s — Missing "the". Also, no source that's more specific?
- Done No, unfortunately. I've searched hard to find more information about the original opening and owner. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Bridget Bayer — Bridget, huh. I suppose that's where the café got its name, but is there a source for that?
- Could be, but also Portland is sometimes known as Bridge City, so that's another possibility, especially since the interior had many images of bridges. Best not to assume. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
purchased by Tom and Laura Lane-Ruckman. — Any idea when? Also, there's an extra space in the following sentence right before the citation.
- Done I've tried hard to find specific transition dates. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"[established — Missing a close bracket.
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
However, the business fell behind on rent and — Perhaps "The business fell behind on rent, however, and"
- Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Bridges [] close[d] permanently on November 15, 2020, after operating for approximately eighteen years. — The math doesn't work if it opened in the late 1990s. And maybe mention that November 15 was a Sunday, though it's a small point.
- I've removed "after operating for eighteen years". I've added mention of Sunday. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reception

She considered — It's generally good practice to avoid stating what people think (which we can only guess at—at best, we know what she said she thought), and instead state what people said.
- Removed both uses of "consider". ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:38, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Are there any other reviews/mentions of this? Have you been through newspapers.com?
- I've searched the Oregonian archives via Multnomah County Library. I am not registered to use newspapers.com, but I just did a search for "Bridges Cafe" on the site and there appear to be 6 returns in Oregon. I would assume these are likely sources I've already used in the article, but of course I'm not certain. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:38, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Images

Minor point, but I don't suppose there are photos that predate the closing? A bit odd to have the windows filled with "available" signs. But I understand if that's not doable.
- I would most definitely welcome other/earlier images, but none are currently available at Commons and I was glad to at least get these before the business was fully replaced by another. I believe I posted an image request at WikiProject Oregon, in case any project members happened to have any photographs. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:38, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

I take it only some The Oregonian articles are online, hence why only some have links?
- Correct, the ones without URLs were from the aforementioned archives. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:38, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
#10 (Butler 2005) — Is the asterisk really in the headline?
- I'm sure so, but sometimes characters do funny things in online archives. I've replaced with a colon, which I think is more intuitive and still makes sense. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:38, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
#12 (Russell 2021) — Is that really the headline? And given that it's only two months old, I'd expect that (more than the older The Oregonian articles) would be online.
- Sometimes The Oregonian has subscriber-only content. I've not been able to locate this online. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:38, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Any reason Weinstein 2017 is used only as an external link, and not a source?
- Well, I wasn't really sure if the Eliot Neighborhood Association was considered an appropriate journalistic source. I'm not opposed to editors potentially using this source in the future, but I think that'd be more of a talk page discussion and hopefully only including as an external link for now is fine for a Good article review. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:38, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Overall

Looks pretty good, Another Believer. It would be nice if there are more sources to find—maybe here, and here (p. 2, where the mention is)—but I understand that may be simply not the case. In any event, some comments are above. --Usernameunique (talk) 02:08, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Usernameunique, Thanks so much! I agree, once libraries are back open, there may be a couple ways to add a few more details to this entry, but I'd like to think this is a solid foundation for an article and one which meets criteria. Please let me know if any concerns still need to be addressed further. Thanks again! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:40, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Another Believer, I agree that this article is well on the way there. But looking now, I was able to pretty easily find some more sources—including one which says when the café opened—by doing a Google search for "Bridget Bayer" "Bridges Cafe". See 1, 2, 3 (these three are paywalled, but if you open them and quickly click "Esc", you can read them), 4 (among other things, "Bridget: Yes, I opened Bridges in 1994 and sold it in 2000."). The Los Angeles Times piece, plus the two newspapers.com articles I clipped above, suggest there might be some material to be added about beer brewing as well. You might also Google "Lane-Ruckman" "Bridges Cafe". --Usernameunique (talk) 04:56, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Usernameunique, Good finds! ~~Unfortunately, I am unable to view the local business journal articles no matter how hard I try. Can you tell if there are any additional details worth incorporating into the article?~~ I do not think we should use the Spark a Career website, which is a low-quality, non-journalistic source. I'm surprised by 1994, though, since the Wikipedia entry currently says late 1990s for the opening. I will work to add the Los Angeles Times source appropriately. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:19, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've incorporated the Los Angeles Times piece. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:30, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've incorporated the "Making a difference on MLK" piece into the article. This really helped fill in a few of the history gaps. 1 down, 1 to go... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:13, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've incorporated the "cozy" piece as well, but minimally. This is mostly about Bayer and community activities, not Bridges. Also, this piece was published by the same author on the same date as the "Making a difference" piece, so I think we should treat these companion sources as one. Definitely worth including, but there's not much detail here specifically about the restaurant. How's this looking to you, User:Usernameunique? Thanks again! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:48, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good, Another Believer, passing now. It's a cool article, on a small sliver of history. A couple closing comments: 1) I see you added 1994 to the article, is it only backed up by the "Spark a Career" source? If so, I think you should still add that source—and use it for just the one point—so readers know where that claim is coming from. 2) Is there anything you can use from these: article; amicus brief (about which there was some press, and probably more if you look)? --Usernameunique (talk) 07:30, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticed that you already identified the first source on the talk page. --Usernameunique (talk) 07:34, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Usernameunique, The 1994 is NOT sourced by Spark a Career, so I think best not to use this website. Thanks for the review! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:24, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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