Talk:Brian Howell

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Notability/Access Thoughts

@Etzedek24 and Fanshawe61:

To avoid deleting the PROD before I'm sure, I thought I'd raise one point and ask a query.

The Historical Novel Society looks like their reviews are sufficiently reliable to qualify, so that's one good one.

The review held within the London Bridge (which is distinct from the one above) is in a somewhat analogous position to any offline source (just to taunt you, you can get a fraction of the edition here - but not the bit we need.

Hopefully Fanshawe61 will check in and spot the discussion. If not, a question arises to the degree on which AGF, as set out within WP:OFFLINE applies Nosebagbear (talk) 11:06, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Fanshawe61 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fanshawe61 (talk • contribs) 12:49, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your interest. I really am not sure where I can join the discussion. Is this it? (Fanshawe61)

As far as I could, I edited the list of publications down, and it seems that it was accepted in the last 24 hours, only to be recommended for deletion for the same initial reservations. (Fanshawe61 (talk) 12:56, 11 July 2019 (UTC)Fanshawe61Fanshawe61 (talk) 12:56, 11 July 2019 (UTC))[reply]

To @Etzedek24:'s point, The London Magazine, where I was reviewed, is a print magazine with a long and established reputation. Reviewer Toby Lichtig now reviews fiction at the TLS. Fanshawe61 (talk) 13:00, 11 July 2019 (UTC)@Fanshawe61Fanshawe61 (talk) 13:00, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fanshawe61: If you are the subject of the article, then you need to disclose a conflict of interest (procedure for doing so is at that link). Wikipedia strongly discourages people from writing articles about themselves even if you do pass the WP:CREATIVE standards of notability. Courtesy pinging Nosebagbear as well. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 14:39, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that. It's why the entries are totally neutral, just listing the facts objectively. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fanshawe61 (talk • contribs) 14:46, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is way too much trouble to be bothered with!

@Fanshawe61: - the inclusion of specific content can be discussed at a later date in my view - it isn't cause for deletion (I wouldn't say the article is particularly biased in any case), the only bit for now is to make sure there's enough sourcing. By any chance do you have access to any actual copy of that London Magazine archived copy (or the review)? That would make all this much less fiddly. Nosebagbear (talk) 17:37, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I do. Fanshawe61 (talk) 00:33, 12 July 2019 (UTC)Fanshawe61Fanshawe61 (talk) 00:33, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how to reply to Nosebagbear's request for a scan of the London Magazine's reviews of my books, but I can send jpegs if I know where to send them. Fanshawe61 (talk) 13:43, 12 July 2019 (UTC)Fanshawe61Fanshawe61 (talk) 13:43, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Fanshawe61 and Etzedek24: - both by photos sent by Fanshawe and the original document by means of the Resource Exchange I've confirmed the review and given the offline ref details that I have. We can of course go to AfD, but I think the minimum multiple references requirement has now been satisfied to pass NAUTHOR. Nosebagbear (talk) 20:07, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the above. I see that there are still some issues – particularly to do with COI – on the page. Can I do anything about them? 00:56, 17 July 2019 Fanshawe61 (talk) 02:15, 17 July 2019 (UTC)Fanshawe61Fanshawe61 (talk) 02:15, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In terms of article tags:

1) The "more biographical info" bit can't be improved unless there's a source that actually talks about you, rather than the books.

2) For the close-connection link I'm going to ping @Jmertel23: since placement of that tag is only supposed to be done if there's an actual neutrality problem...not merely a connected editor link. Its use obliges the placer to start a talk page discussion about what is the problem. Nosebagbear (talk) 11:19, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think I get you. I hope there isn't a neutrality problem in that case. For the biography, there are a few interviews around, probably print only. Fanshawe61 (talk) 13:00, 19 July 2019 (UTC)Fanshawe61Fanshawe61 (talk) 13:00, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]