Talk:Brandon Thomas (playwright)

England Low‑importance

	England portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject England, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of England on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.EnglandWikipedia:WikiProject EnglandTemplate:WikiProject EnglandEngland-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Biography: Arts and Entertainment

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the arts and entertainment work group (assessed as Mid-importance).

London Low‑importance

	London portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject London, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of London on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.LondonWikipedia:WikiProject LondonTemplate:WikiProject LondonLondon-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

On 9 January 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Brandon Thomas to Brandon Thomas (actor). The result of the discussion was moved.

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians, I have just modified one external link on Brandon Thomas. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060109032304/http://www.ibdb.com/show.asp?ID=2504 to http://www.ibdb.com/show.asp?ID=2504

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs. This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 18:24, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 January 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. there's a consensus the playwright is not the primary topic, and that the disambiguation "playwright" makes more sense than "actor". (closed by non-admin page mover) Elli (talk | contribs) 09:54, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

– no clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC per page views [1] Joeykai (talk) 16:32, 9 January 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. -- Aervanath (talk) 20:27, 18 January 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 01:53, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. There are four men listed upon the Brandon Thomas (disambiguation) page, with no indication that the late-19th-century–early-20th-century actor-playwright, who wrote one hit play, left such a major imprint on history that his renown overwhelms the combined notability of the remaining three men. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 19:44, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. None of the other people listed at the disambig page were important at all. The North American football player was injured before his professional career and hardly played. Is he even notable? The others seem similarly barely notable (one doesn't even have his own article). This person is the primary topic for this name, at least for now. Even though he is best remembered for one hit, it was a massive hit. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:32, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 23:34, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per User:Ssilvers's well-stated opposition plus WP:RECENTISM. — AjaxSmack 00:33, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Ssilvers's argument. He is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for long-term significance. 125.167.59.48 (talk) 00:37, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support the footballer has 712 views, the American footballer has 540 and the musician has 11 compared with only 274 for this one. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:25, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - the relative renown and importance of the Brandon Thomases is pretty clear. Tim riley talk 22:20, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It's generally a bad idea to have a primary topic for a generic name like "Brandon Thomas" unless the ptopic is widely known, since otherwise it's likely to lead to mistargeted wikilinks. An editor wanting to refer to the football player might easily write [[Brandon Thomas]] - after all, how well does the average editor writing about American sports know their Victorian playwrights? Indeed, when I browsed mainspace wikilinks to the base name, I found at least 7 mistargeted wikilinks. Some referring to the football player, and some referring to other Brandon Thomases who aren't even listed on the dab page (including, for example, the link at Joe Gibbs Racing). Colin M (talk) 20:08, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support (strongly) per nom. By page views, the actor-playwright receives only 22% of the pageviews between Brandon Thomas (footballer), Brandon Thomas (American football), the actor-playwright, and Brandon Thomas (musician). (And I didn't even INCLUDE Brandon Thomas-Asante in those percentages, and Brandon Thomas-Asante has more than 10x TIMES the pageviews of the playwright.) There's clearly no primary topic for this title, and the safest bet is definitely to move the disambiguation page to the basename. (And move this page to either Brandon Thomas (playwright) or Brandon Thomas (actor)). Paintspot Infez (talk) 03:32, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support, suggesting "playwright" rather than "actor", per Crouch, Swale; Colin M; and Paintspot Infez. Mistargeted wikilinks, 22% of total pageviews, and 2 other topics with higher pageview counts does not make a strong case for a primary topic. The playright cannot inherit primary topic status entirely from the play. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:48, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but move to Brandon Thomas (playwright). My original thought in the matter was to "oppose" because I did not see how the subject currently at the ambiguous title could be considered a WP:SURPRISE due to its historical significance. But then I started using third party engines, and most of the results are for the football and American football players. We might as well not pigeonhole readers into first arriving at the article currently designated the primary topic if readers could potentially be looking for something else. Steel1943 (talk) 20:12, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.