Talk:Brandenburg Concertos

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Astonishment over valveless trumpeting

In hope that someone is watching this page, I'll share my doubtfulness regarding the following passage, in the section about the second concerto:

Scholars today continue to be astonished that the intended trumpeter (probably the court trumpeter in Cothen, Johann Ludwig Schreiber) was able to handle the rapid passagework while playing an instrument that had no valves.

Astonished? Maybe a few decades ago, but nowadays there are plenty of trumpeters who can handle it on a natural trumpet. I'm not feeling very bold at the moment, but I will remove (or rephrase) this if nobody objects. EldKatt (Talk) 20:40, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

(Writing many years in the future). Yes. There is something still a little hey-wow and confused about the writeup on No. 2, but it is much much better than that nonsense! I would like to have a look at what is there now and stop being pompous and try to fix it, but G*d knows if I will ever get round to it. Best to all, DBaK (talk) 09:19, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: No support for move is likely Mike Cline (talk) 16:59, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Brandenburg concertos → Brandenburg concerti – "Concerti" is the correct plural of concerto. 108.225.117.205 (talk) 02:11, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - That's correct in Italian, but in English, "concertos" is more common. The vast majority of my books and recordings say "concertos".DavidRF (talk) 02:40, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment WP:Use English. What is the English plural of "concerto" ? Our article on it says the anglicized form is "concertos". 70.24.248.23 (talk) 04:50, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose WP:COMMONNAME. Most people will look for this name. Hasteur (talk) 17:56, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It's not the original title anyway, so can as well be English, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:35, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose WP:COMMONNAME, WP:USEENGLISH and speedy close per WP:SNOW. --Born2cycle (talk) 06:39, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Brandenburgische Konzerte would make more sense than some Italian word. —Wahoofive (talk) 21:54, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Clarino or clarion

I've never heard of a "clarino". Do the uses of this alleged instrument in the article actually mean "clarion"? 50.193.171.69 (talk) 15:48, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. "clarino" is one of the many variants of "clarion" included in Clarion_(instrument)#Etymology. I am not sure which variant should be used where. It could be that 'clarino' was how Bach spelled it, or it could just be a typo in the wiki-edit.DavidRF (talk) 16:30, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

[1] - apparently a blogsite, but quite interesting. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:25, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

According to Harvard Dictionary, "clarion" is "an ancient English trumpet" whereas "clarino" was a virtuoso method of trumpet playing in the 17th and 18th centuries which used very high harmonics. (Damn spell-check keeps trying to change it to "clarion") —Wahoofive (talk) 02:13, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry I am a wee bit late to the party but yes – clarino, spelt thus, is pretty normal terminology and can be seen at the top of plenty of mainstream(ish) trumpet parts from back in Them T'Days™. I think it was all neatly resolved with some links and doesn't seem to be a problem any more, if ever it was. Best to all, DBaK (talk) 09:23, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First public performances?

Is it known by whom,when, and under what circumstances they, or any of them, were first publicly performed after Dehn's rediscovery of them?Delahays (talk) 00:40, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Plusieurs

Between the lead and the first body paragraph we vary the meaning of plusieurs between several and different. Could we maybe pick one and stick with it? Best to all DBaK (talk) 09:12, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I've gone with several for now, having looked at a dictionary and thought about consistency. I can see that there is room for debate (I'm thinking about the use of "divers" and similar in older Englishes!) but I do think we need the two appearances to use the same word. Best to all, DBaK (talk) 09:44, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]