Talk:Brand New (band)/GA1

GA Reassessment

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GA Sweeps: On hold

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing Sweeps to determine if the article should remain a Good article. I went through the article and made various changes, please look them over. I believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a GA. However, in reviewing the article, I have found there are several issues that needs to be addressed.

1. Address all of the citation needed tags. Some have been there since 2007.
2. There are a few dead links/redirects that need to be fixed. The Internet Archive may be able to help.

 Done Fixed any issues that Checklinks pointed out. Fezmar9 (talk) 17:34, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

This article covers the topic well. I will wait to review the prose for any other issues until the above points have been addressed. I will leave the article on hold for seven days, but if progress is being made and an extension is needed, one may be given. If no progress is made, the article may be delisted, which can then later be renominated at WP:GAN. I'll contact all of the main contributors and related WikiProjects so the workload can be shared. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 22:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Luckily this wasn't undertaken a few weeks ago! Only recently I gave it a pretty substantial copyedit and cleanup, it was pretty messy. Will work on these concerns, but because they are quite extensive, could need an extension. Will keep in touch. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 05:04, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Citation needed tags

Just to get a better of view the work needed to be done. And possibly open discussion for the removal any of these claims altogether. The following statements from the article need citations: Fezmar9 (talk) 04:44, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

• "In need of a second guitarist, they found the then 17 year-old Vincent Accardi, who decided to join the band after hearing the trio play "The Shower Scene", the first song they wrote together."
• "...[Your Favorite Weapon] became a moderate success." Added sales figure. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 14:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
• "...[Deja Entendu] contained slower, deeper songs than those on Your Favorite Weapon, with a more polished sound."
• "...[Deja Entendu] is said to be at critics who claimed that the band sounded like every other group in the genre."
• "Jesse Lacey got the name for the [Deja Entendu] while watching an episode of Jeopardy!" Found one. - kollision (talk) 05:23, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
• "The band has stated that most of the songs [on Deja Entendu] were not demoed and were 'rushed'"
• "Soon after the release of Your Favorite Weapon, the band released two songs on a split EP with with Safety in Numbers, titled Brand New / Safety in Numbers. The EP contained the tracks "Moshi Moshi" and a cover of Love Spit Love's "Am I Wrong". In August 2002, Iodine Recordings released Your Favorite Weapon on 12" vinyl along with an extra track, "...My Nine Rides Shotgun", a demo from the band's early days. In early 2003, it was re-released again in the US and in the UK through Razor & Tie."
• "A limited edition EP, entitled The Holiday EP, was released soon after the album in late 2003, available only to the band's Street Team members. It contained demos from Deja Entendu, album art by artist Brian Ewing, as well as a new song - "O Holy Night". Available for only the price of postage, this EP sold out quickly, and has never been re-released. Consequently, it is extremely rare."

I am having a very difficult time finding a reliable source that even mentions this EP. So far it's just ebay and fan forums. Unless someone else had better luck than I did, this should probably be removed from the article. Fezmar9 (talk) 16:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I think it is necessary to note that Billboard has changed their website entirely, leaving 25,000+ links dead and much of my sources-to-be-added to this article, dead as well. So I'm in a bit of a pickle here trying to find the links on their new site, which is now typically all style, no info. Discussion is ongoing here, but we haven't worked out a way to fix this rather big issue. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 05:53, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Chart peaks for Billboard 200 here and chart peaks for Top Alternative Songs (formerly Modern Rock) here. Still looking for Bubbling Under chart though. I do agree that it is more focused on style than information than it was... Fezmar9 (talk)

All fixed. I think someone mentioned on the RC page that the Bubbling Under chart was no longer being published online. Annoying! I think I'll leave it another couple of days and hopefully some kind of solution/alternate source appears from Billboard.

Only one section left to source properly now! I'm surprised to look back on the version that was originally given GA, and see that sources are very sparse, even for standards back then. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 15:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe "Bubbling Under" became Heatseekers Songs ??? I just found it on the new Billboard site, and have never heard of it before. And just like Bubbling Under, it too is only a 25-position chart. Fezmar9 (talk) 15:24, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

The new Deja section is really great! Just a few small issues. Refs 20 and 22 need to be updated since Billboard has updated – the update didn't just effect charting URLs. Also in the first paragraph you said "Lane" but I believe you were referring to Lacey? Lastly, in the final paragraph you have emo-punk quoted within a quote, and generally it is accepted to use (') for the secondary quotes. I can fix that one right now. Other then those two Billboard refs, all the other sources checked out okay! Fezmar9 (talk) 15:50, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

They're working, not showing up on checklinks either. I think I already fixed them in the sandbox. So all good. It is referring to Lane, he was the one in the interview talking about Lacey's writing and then the whole "getting exposed to different music". It could probably do with a little edit though. Thanks! k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 09:47, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Well after re-reading the line about Lane/Lacey it makes sense to me now, not sure what I was thinking before. The two billboard refs are, however, still an issue. Both of them take me to the same search page, and not an actual article. It looks like that is what the link is and I am not being redirected to the search page which is why it's not showing up on checklinks. Just to confirm before I make any changes, is this and this the two articles you were trying to link? Fezmar9 (talk) 16:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Yep, that's them. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 04:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

GA Sweeps: Kept

I removed the statement lacking an inline citation and copied it above. Once a source is found, make sure to readd it to the article. Make sure to keep looking for a replacement link for the Billboard link (or fix it when possible). I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good Article. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. It would be beneficial to update the access dates for all of the online sources. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 05:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)