Talk:Bount

Transylvanian connection?

I was thinking about the "German theme," and it occurred to me that perhaps they come from rural Austria-Hungary (specifically Transylvania). After all, that was where Dracula came from. Perhaps this should be mentioned? SpionKop 05:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

While the European setting could very well be Romania, one has to consider that Romanian is in no way similar to German (it's similar to Latin/Italian however). -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 09:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

But if they lived in Romania at the time of its rule by Austria-Hungary, wouldn't it be plausible for them to speak German, or at least be subject to German influence (for example, towns being called by their German names)? SpionKop 13:39, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Cain is certainly heard speaking German during his incantation. However, that very fact implies that the characters are not speaking German during their normal conversations. On the other hand, I think it brings up a good reason to believe that the spelling of "バウント" should really be "Baunt" and not "Bount," to agree with the German transliteration and Kariya's tendencies. And for that matter, the people who make these fillers don't seem to be too worried about plot holes. Dekimasu 02:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

The OST jacket could always be wrong. But, unless later text corrects that or make the Transylvanian connection specifically apparent, we'll probably have to write that off as relatively obvious but still original research. --tjstrf 17:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

It might also be that the German was used for alchemy and the spell that created the doll. Just a thought -Troy Frostwind 22:36, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Gesell cards

Just thought I would make a small list of Gesell's cards, in case anyone would like to add it to the article. Note! There are in fact umlauts ("¨") on a few of the cards, they are just INCREDIBLY hard to see, and actually look like smudge (compare them with dots over the "i"s and you'll see), I've written them like they are supposed to be written.

"Dämon Kraft" (Demon Power/Force), the hands of Gesell
"Wächter" (Watchdog/Guard/Look-Out), the "eyes" that shine light to make shadows
"Unbekannt" (Nameless/Unknown/Unidentified), Gesell's "true" form
"Kreissäge", (Buzz/Circular saw), the... buzz saw
"Schwerttanz" (Sword Dance), the swords
"Lebende Draht" (Living Wires), the ropes used to entangle someone
"Streitaxt" (Battle Axe), the Axes

As for the rest, you never see the text on the cards, with execption of the one with the spear/trident on it, but I just can't make it out. --Hecko 17:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Doll info

Who else thinks that detailed information about the dolls should be moved into the Bounts in Bleach article? We had a similar problem with what should go into Quincy (Bleach) vs. Uryū Ishida, and decided that personal info should go into the character article, while generic into the generic. We should do the same here. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 13:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Picture

I feel a picture of the Bount wouldn't go amiss here. Only problem is, net searches only find bad images of Kariya, or gifs of the Bounto which keep moving and saying thing slike 'Bounto Fan Club', which I don't feel much like putting on Wikipedia. Anyone got any better pictures?Nii-sama 18:44, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Is this article really necessary?

Do the Bount really need an article? I mean, they're filler characters, so I don't think many people will be interested.24.162.221.31 23:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Whether people are interested in the topic is irrelevant. The subject passes notability and deserves an article. Sephiroth BCR 23:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

They aren't fillers, If they were fillers then they wouldn't have an entire story arc dedicated to them. Just because its not in the manga doesnt mean it was filler. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.184.153.1 (talk) 21:32, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I think they ARE filler, but that they aren't 'just' filler. Most filler goes forgotten, unreferenced, and doesn't affect the future of an anime. They might tie it into the plot, but it doesn't affect the future at all. A good example of 'just filler' would be that aquatic mutant that they befriend in Naruto that is an experiment of Orochimaru's. At the end, she joins the Konoha village, yet you never see her again, despite the strong friendship she struck up with Naruto. The same applies to the illusionist mentored by Kurenai that idolizes Rock Lee. The Bounto arc is very different (for one, taking up 2 seasons is huge) in that it resulted in the creation of the 3 modsouls which were created to detect the Bounto. They help in fighting the Arancar later on and remain characters in the show. Furthermore, the final battle is remembered by Ichigo as part of what he goes through when conquering his inner hollow. It's tied in perfectly. Tyciol (talk) 15:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Keeping a list per race is working fine. StardustDragon 17:02, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Canon or non-canon?

I was just wondering, but since it is an anime exclusive, I was wondering if the whole arc is considered canon or not. It would be hard to say it's non-canon, because the whole rest of the anime still acts like it happened, so saying they aren't real is also saying some other information present in the anime and not the manga, even in other arcs, would be non-canon as well. Tysis 04:06, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Everything in the _anime_ happened in the _anime_. Everything in the manga happened in the manga. Do not assume one is more accurate than the other. It doesn't matter who created or designed which characters. All are equally as "official". If you don't believe me, check the copyrights. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.71.144.65 (talk) 02:28, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

A continuity speculation and a question

It is my understanding that the manga and the anime try their best not to conflict with each other's canon, which basically means that the Bount arc, while only shown in the anime, may or may not have happened in the manga as well. So we do not know that there are Bount in the manga continuity, but neither do we know that there are not; in fact, we do not know for sure whether they are one and the same or only remarkably similar to each other.

AFAIK, it is probably meant to be the same, but since anime is produced at a much faster rate than manga itself (as InuYasha fans such as myself know all too well) there is aditional plot produced only for the anime. This is not unusual; Saint Seya and InuYasha did the same. Luis Dantas (talk) 12:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations, you've just found out that Bounts are filler. StardustDragon 17:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

The last part of history

This last mention in the 'history' part should be deleted:

"It should be noted that the history of the Bount is apparently inconsistent with information contained in the manga, namely that the Technological Institute was founded 110 years before the main story line by Urahara Kisuke; this contradicts the notion that the Bount were around for several centuries. The manga also states that the idea of such an organization was novel at the time, meaning there was no previous organization that might have done the experiments leading to the Bount's creation."

I don't think this is correctly referencing the anime at all. I think it is important to look at how exactly the manga describes it as being 'novel'. Is it a narrator doing it? If it is just a character doing this, then it would be irrelevant. Firstly, the TI did not create the Bounto, so Urahara making it after them doesn't matter. Secondly, it would still be 'novel' because he presumably created it without knowledge of or without basing it on the previous organization which created the Bounto. If history is wiped out, then it is novel to create it, especially in the perspective of someone who is narrating this fact with no knowledge of the previous organization. So who was saying the TI is novel? Knowledge of the past organization and of the Bount was highly classified. The only people who know about it are probably Urahara, the new head Mayuri Kurotsuchi, and probably the 1st captain Genryusai since he's old and privy to priviledged information. Prior to this information coming out, no one knew what the disturbance was about until informed. Thus, with no knowledge of the past that's how they would describe it. It's possible that even Aizen and Yorouchi, two who know much about what Urahara is involved in and who described his past to Ichigo, didn't know about this stuff that he and Mayuri knew about. Tyciol (talk) 15:36, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Edit request

{{editprotected}} Please fix the redirect to:

#REDIRECT [[List of Bleach characters#Bounts]]{{CharR to list entry|Bleach}}

To fix the double redirect. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:07, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 06:29, 21 October 2008 (UTC)