Talk:Bottle pool

GA Review

The article is well-sourced and well-written. It would be nice if it was a bit longer, but oh well. One thing, some of the citations in the lead probably could be trimmed, because WP:LEAD says that citations aren't needed there if that thing is sourced in the main article. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:02, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the review. I really would love to make it longer with sourced material but I synthesized everything I could find on the game. I agree with you that in a traditional lead, one only needs citation where material appears that is not expanded on later in the article. However, for this subject the lead is the main body of the article (the information is not repeated) since there isn't enough information to make a separate lead. I suppose I could summarize the three lenghty paragraphs into one and make that a lead paragraph and place the existing opening under a section header labeled "history", but this seems redundant for an article of this length. Thanks again.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:01, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced "Variations" material

I have removed all of the following beause despite multiple editors on it no one added a source for any of it. Good Articles cannot have unsourced stuff in them (no articles should have any, of course, but this would be delisted as a GA if it retained possibly made-up stuff like this).

Other variations include playing the game in three "innings". The first inning is scored as described above and is typically played to 30, 40, or 50 points. Players must score exactly the number of points needed without going over. If a player goes over, they continue their turn and continue to score points. If a player scratches after going over, they return to zero. 1 ball is worth one point, 2 ball is worth two points, knocking the bottle over is worth 5 points, knocking the bottle over and having it land upright (either end down) is worth 10 points, knocking the bottle off the table or into a pocket is -10 points, a carom is worth 1 point. Once a player reaches the designated number of points, that player is vulnerable for the remainder of their turn. A player is considered "consolidated" once they have reached the designated number of points (and additional caroms) when their turn is over. Caroms by a vulnerable player count towards the second inning score. However, any balls potted or bottle knocked over results in going over. Two safeties are permitted per player or team.

Spotting in this game is slightly different. While starting positions are the same as the above, the 1 ball is spotted on the center spot at the foot of the table. The 2 ball is spotted on the center spot at the head of the table. The bottle is spotted similarly. After a scratch, balls in "the kitchen" may not be struck without hitting a rail outside the kitchen. This rule applies to the 2 ball if it is spotted.

The second inning consists of scoring the prerequisite number of caroms. Generally, if the first inning is to 30, the number of caroms required is 3; similarly, with a first inning to 40, four caroms are required. Potting object balls is permitted and a turn continues. A scratch occurs by potting the cue ball or knocking the bottle over. Scratching omits any run. Scratching without a run, is loss of a point. A player can return to the first inning due to a scratch or knocking the bottle off the table. The rules related to vulnerability and consolidation apply to a player returning to the first inning. A player cannot go over in the second inning.

The third and final inning is completed by scratching off the 1 ball in a shooter designated pocket. This inning is known as "in off". A player may not sink any ball or knock the bottle over or off the table in the "in-off" inning. Knocking the bottle off the table is -10 points and knocking the bottle over is a scratch. Inability to strike the 1 ball results in a scratch. Scratches result in a return to the 2nd inning.

It all sounds to me like particular club rules, and if it is, it won't be encyclopedic anyway. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(^Õل^ō)ˀ Contribs. 01:28, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

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GA concerns

I am concerned that this article no longer meets the good article criteria. Some of my concerns are listed below:

• There is uncited text in the article, including an entire paragraph.
• There is a "citation needed" tag in the article, placed in 2014.
• "Illegal shots and fouls" has an external link in the text: is this a reliable source that can be used as an inline citation, or should it be removed?
• There is information in the lead which is not in the article body. This also makes the lead very long for an article of this size. This information should be moved to the article body (and properly cited) and the lead should be a summary of the body's contents.

Is anyone interested in fixing up this article, or should this be sent to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 16:44, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

Bottle pool

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

The lead contains information that is not in the article body, which makes it very long for an article of this size. This information should be moved to the article body (and properly cited), and the lead should be a summary of the body's contents. There is also uncited text in the article, including an entire paragraph, a "citation needed" tag placed in 2014 that should be resolved, and "Illegal shots and fouls" has an external link in the text: is this a reliable source that can be used as an inline citation, or should it be removed? Z1720 (talk) 01:01, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I think this could be made viable, but I suspect I wouldn't have the time to do so. I don't really know much about this game. I'll take a look and see what small bits I can do without fully researching. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:13, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.