Talk:Borys Lyatoshynsky/GA1

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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 20:04, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:04, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Sources are reliable other than the queries noted below, though I can't fully evaluate the non-English sources and am taking them on faith.

• File:Borys Lyatoshynsky and his family.jpg was probably not published in the US until at least 30 days after publication elsewhere, and from the age of the composer it is after 1927, so per the Hirtle chart I think it's still copyrighted in the US.

I find this comment a bit confusing. As the composer was born in 1895, and he is the boy on the right, this means the photograph was taken in c.1905-1910, i.e. it is in the public domain. I have replaced the permissions template with {{PD-old-70-1923}}.Amitchell125 (talk) 07:33, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Oops. Misread that; he's the boy in the picture, of course. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:56, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

• Do you know when File:Liatoshinsky.jpg was first published, and where? The Commons file only says the Ukrainian Wikipedia, and it's not in the uk-wiki version of this article. We need the source to verify that it's before 1946 as the tag asserts, which does seem possible given his apparent age in the photo.

Unfortunately, the photo looks very much as if it was taken from an old Russian/Ukrainian newspaper article, but there's nothing I could find to date it. Image removed. Amitchell125 (talk) 19:55, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

• What makes the following reliable sources?
  • earsense.com
  • classicalmusicsentinel.com

Removed. Amitchell125 (talk) 21:15, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

• "The Lyatoshynsky family moved with Borys's father Mykola Lyatoshynsky [uk], a history teacher, who during his career was the head teacher of high schools in Zhytomyr, Nemyriv, Kyiv, and—from 1908 to 1911—in Zlatopol." Looks like an incompletely edited sentence -- moved where?

Sorted. Amitchell125 (talk) 19:21, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

• "although the piano part was known to be over-dominant": "known" seems an odd word choice -- do you mean "said by reviewers" or "by listeners"?

Text amended. Amitchell125 (talk) 19:30, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

• "Skriabin": I usually see this transliterated as "Scriabin".

Thanks for spotting that one. Amitchell125 (talk) 18:55, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

• "Working on the symphony for six months during 1934, The work was criticised in the press, even though it had yet to be performed,": more editing debris?

Sorted. Amitchell125 (talk) 19:02, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

• Uncited sentence in the "Moscow Conservatory" section.

Removed, as I cannot find the correct citation. Amitchell125 (talk) 08:10, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

• "Evacuated there along with his colleagues, In Saratov, the Ukrainian Taras Shevchenko Radio Station broadcast political speeches and daily concerts of Ukrainian music." Another incomplete sentence. And why is it interesting to know what the radio broadcast?

Text amended. Amitchell125 (talk) 19:15, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

• "he took charge and led": redundant.

Sorted. Amitchell125 (talk) 18:47, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

• "A similar vision of the war to Nikolai Myaskovsky's Symphony No. 5 was expressed in the symphony." Suggest " A vision of the war similar to that in [or of] Nikolai Myaskovsky's Symphony No. 5 was expressed in the symphony"

Done. Amitchell125 (talk) 19:26, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

• "The reflective second movement is redeemed by a finale": I don't think we can say "redeemed" in Wikipedia's voice.

Balanced? Amitchell125 (talk) 20:14, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

• '"a brief but really haunting invention"': the cite should go no later than the end of the sentence for a direct quote.

Done. Amitchell125 (talk) 20:04, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

• "The symphony's coda contains lyrical string solos a subdued clashing of bells": looks like this is missing a word, perhaps "and"?

Sorted. Amitchell125 (talk) 18:42, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

• There is a "failed verification" tag in the article.

I couldn't find a suitable replacement, so I removed the text. Amitchell125 (talk) 20:46, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:11, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

All issues are fixed. A couple of spotchecks:

• FNs 5 & 37 are used to cite "The Kyiv Chamber Choir and the Kharkiv Music School [uk] are named after Lyatoshynsky". I see the first in FN 37; I can see FN 5 is referring to something that Google translates as "People's Artist of the Ukrainian SSR Borys Mykolayovych Lyatoshinskyi" but I can't see that it's the Kharkiv Music School -- am I missing something?

Confusion sorted, I hope. Amitchell125 (talk) 15:17, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

37 is OK, but where in 5 does it say Kharkiv Music School? I'm using Chrome's translation so it may be screwing something up. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:33, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Christie: For me, the last sentence translates as "The Kyiv Chamber Choir and the Kharkiv Music School are named after Lyatoshinskyi." (Ім'ям Лятошинського названо Київський камерний хор й Харківське музичне училище.). Amitchell125 (talk) 07:49, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, same here -- I guess Ctrl-F doesn't always work on a Chrome-translated page. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

• FN 43 cites " it was written as his graduation composition at a time when he had become influenced by the music of Scriabin and Richard Wagner. It was conducted in 1919 by Glière": this is incorrect; it was conducted in 1923 by Glière. The rest of the cited text is fine.

Thanks, now sorted. Amitchell125 (talk) 15:19, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

• FN 2 cites an alternative spelling of his name; verified.
• FN 29 cites "Lyatoshynsky worked on the symphony for six months during 1934": verified.

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:56, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Strikes above; one left. Earwig is clean -- just some titles and short strings. Just FN 5 left now. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:33, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Last fix is good; passing. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC)