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Political Rxn Section

The Springsteen response was the introduction of Johnny 99. Edit reflects this and the reason he chose that song. [08:30, 6 May 2006 66.237.109.194]

Live Performance Section

Several edits for grammar, style and accuracy, including:

-'92 tour is known as the "1992-93 World Tour"

Restored this edit 5-9-06. That's the official name of the tour.

Also restored the edit as Tunnel of Love Express Tour. Without "tour" the sentence is ambiguous except to Springsteen fans.

-Acoustic version was done at every Reunion Tour performance except 1; song was performed frequently on Reunion tour

-Full-band performance with regularity came back on Rising, not VFC tour

-Clarified instrumention on D&D tour and what the purpose of bullet mic was.

5-6-06 [08:30, 6 May 2006 66.237.109.194]

"Doomed"

On 5/9/06 I removed "2004's doomed Vote for Change tour" from the article. "Doomed" doesn't conform to the neutral point of view. Additionally, there was no change in the performance from the Rising Tour to the Vote for Change tour. [08:30, 6 May 2006 66.237.109.194]

I've restored it, with "doomed" changed to "unsuccessful", which is undeniably so. The fact that he played the song on these explicitly political performances is significant. Wasted Time R 19:12, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is indeed undeniably so that the Vote for Change tour was unsuccessful. However, it's also undeniably irrelevant to any description of the arrangement and performance of the song. --63.25.102.44 (talk) 16:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Urban legend

Considerable urban legend exists about the role of "Born in the U.S.A." in the 1984 presidential campaign beyond what is described above. In particular it is thought or claimed that Reagan specifically mentioned the song, clearly misinterpreted the song, explicitly misappropriated the song, or that the song was played at Reagan campaign rallies. It is also claimed that Mondale tried to appropriate the song in some way. None of these claims are true. Indeed, after the Hammonton speech, Springsteen was never again mentioned in the Reagan campaign. [1] Nor did Mondale's campaign, en route to a landslide defeat, make any further references to Springsteen of note.

George Will did, at least partly, misinterpret "Born in the U.S.A.", which may have led Reagan or those in his staff to do so. On the other hand, it is quite possible Reagan had never heard of this song or any other Springsteen song, and in the Hammonton speech may have just been attempting to ride the popularity of a local star, hardly an uncommon political practice.

[Moved here after others thought it unreferenced. If cites are found for the 'legend' claims made, it can be restored to the article itself. Wasted Time R 04:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)][reply]

To be clear. The linked article makes no mention of the above claims with the exception that "Springsteen was never again mentioned in the Reagan campaign." If there is support that there were popular misconceptions about Reagan or Mondale's use of the song it might be possible to rewrite a factual statement. The above statement, however, is full of weasel words and makes speculation that is unverifiable. In my opinion, it should not be simply restored to the article in its current state regardless of citations. -MrFizyx 04:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Name Changed

I changed the title to Born In The U.S.A. since Bruce Springsteen's official page for the album capitalizes the song's name in that way. If anyone needs any proof, this is the link: http://www.brucespringsteen.net/albums/bornintheusa.html Jesant13 (talk) 01:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed somebody re-named the page back to "Born in the U.S.A.", so I had to re-name the page back to "Born In The U.S.A." I also fixed places that said "Born in the U.S.A." instead of "Born In The U.S.A." --Jesant13 (talk) 20:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe your change is incorrect. WP:NAME#Album and song titles and band names does not make any provision for altering our capitalization standard based on what the artist's use of capitalization is. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:31, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Lyrics

I have added lyrics of teh song to the page again. It was removed by the user Wasted Time R. I think a lyrics section should be a part of song description in all wiki articles.

I removed them. It is likely a copyright violation. Instead, we can have an external link to the Bruce Springsteen website containing the lyrics. I cannot access that now but I will link later if no one beats me to it.Rlendog (talk) 20:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Printing the lyrics is very definitely a copyvio and a big no-no. You can link to them on an official site run by the owner of the lyrics; you can't link to them on the many websites that print lyrics without authorization. Wasted Time R (talk) 22:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

misunderstood?

I don't remember this song being misunderstood. IIRC, the nation was healing from the aftershocks of the Viet Nam War ... and this was part of that. I was pretty young when this song came out, but recall it being fully understood. --J. D. Redding 02:33, 5 July 2011 (UTC) [ps., early version here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3PkmGgY4iw][reply]

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I'm not sure the working class boy of the song "joins" the Army: he got "caught in a little home town jam", so "they" sent him there to kill the "yellow man". It sounds to me more like a forced enlistment. What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.255.61.166 (talk) 14:27, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

“Enlistment” by its very definition means voluntary, so “forced enlistment” is a meaningless oxymoron. The words for compelled military service were and remain “the draft” and “drafted”, which is what happens to Spingsteen’s singer. Sensei48 (talk) 17:03, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]