Talk:Borei-class submarine

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Data question

What is the source of the "K" hull numbers used in the article? The notation requesting source citation was aimed at clarifying this point.Федоров (talk) 13:50, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_ship_naming_conventions , as it said there, K-prefix stands for a "Korabl" (ship). Mator (talk) 15:04, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The question is not "What does K mean?" The question is "What is the source citation for the "K" numbers entered in the table?"Moryak (talk) 23:14, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

probably тактический номер then? Mator (talk) 11:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What is the source for the numbers K-350 and K-550 being assigned to the first two submarines of this class? I am not asking what the numbers mean.Федоров (talk) 11:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yuriy Dolgorukiy submarine to be launched this week

- Ivanov

MOSCOW. April 9 [2007] (Interfax-AVN) - The Yury Dolgoruky strategic ballistic missile submarine will be launched in Severodvinsk on Sunday, First Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov said at a Monday meeting of government members chaired by President Vladimir Putin.

Four submarines of the class will be built, Ivanov said.

The construction of two similar submarines, Alexander Nevsky and Vladimir Monomakh, has already begun.

Ivanov said he will attend the Yury Dolgoruky's launching.

"This is the first time in seventeen years that we have built such a submarine. It will take another year to equip and arm," he said.

The Yury Dolgoruky sub, the first in the Borei 955 production series, will be launched from the Sevmash shipyard.

"Strategic nuclear forces are the priority of the Russian Navy, and the Yury Dolgoruky sub is the key link in this chain," Navy Commander Admiral Vladimir Masorin told Interfax-AVN.

The new subs will be armed with new Bulava-M ballistic missiles.

Mockup picture

Do we really need this obsolete picture? The complete images weren't published yet, but from the ones that were released is't obvious that real "Borei" looks nothing like the mockup. It has a pumpjet, not ordinary screw, there's no hump for missiles, but instead a prominent deck is in the forward section and so on. --Khathi 16:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why Anti-Russian bias?

There are many meaningless statements (some doesn't even have any citations) like "As of October 2010 the Yury Dolgorukiy is yet to receive its missiles" in the article.

The submarine is in sea trials, and according to http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=10516 , the Yury Dolgoruky hasn't even fired a torpedo yet. Its perfectly normal if it doesn't have its missiles. Now, Bulava may (or may not) have problems of its own but as long as it is not related to Borei class, I think its unnecessary to be mentioned in this article. As a side note, USS Ohio (the lead vessel of its class) was launched in April 1979 and commissioned on November 1981, spending 2.5 years in sea trials.

And by the way according to link I've provided, the Yury Dolgoruky may launch its first missile in December, its worth mentioning in this article Andraxxus (talk) 21:34, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stating reliably sourced facts does not equate to 'bias.' 50.111.62.5 (talk) 22:18, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

importantly

http://www.ria.ru/interview/20111202/503747393.html - very interesting article about the prospects of this class of submarines and other future submarines of the Russian Navy. It is said that there is no 955U, 955A and the first is the fourth submarine of the series. in 2012 it officially laid down, though her body is almost ready + will work on 5 and 6 subs of the series. The article is written from the words of the Chief Director of Sevmash. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AktiNo (talk • contribs) 04:34, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Source for 1-year endurance?

Currently, the side bar shows

Range: Unlimited; (1yr+) endurance restricted by food stores

This is impressive compared to American submarines which usually have a 90-day crew endurance. It would be nice to have a source for this. --63.251.248.156 (talk) 00:10, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The 90-day swapping of "gold" and "blue" crews in peacetime is just for crew morale; in wartime, an Ohio can stay on-patrol for over six months. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.56.77 (talk) 03:05, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Borey or Borei?

The name of the article sans one thing, and the copy of the article says another. Pick one. -- 06:47, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

"Borei" is the most common spelling in English, and all other references (except this one) in a Google Search show as "Borei" Santamoly (talk) 06:00, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Vladimir?

By this Nicholas Velasquez reverted my inclusion of the word 'Prince' translating the Russian title 'Knyaz' in 'Knyaz Vladimir', the first Borei-A class boat. Having checked the translation at the individual submarine article for 'Knyaz Vladimir', the word 'Knyaz' was not translated anywhere else in the article, and Wikipedia writes for generalists, not necessarily those with specialist knowledge of Russian. I would invite Nicholas Velasquez to explain what he believes the term 'Knyaz' means if it does not actually mean 'Prince,' and explain why a translation of the word 'Knyaz' might not be appropriate in the article. Regards to all, Buckshot06 (talk) 11:08, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the invitation. I am surprised to learn that "Knyaz" is actually sometimes translated as "Prince" in English, because, at least in the modern version of Russian, "Knyaz" and "Price" are not interchangeable: the meaning of "Knyaz" is, roughly speaking, "the sole ruler of a particular territory", while "Prince" is "a male offspring of the current monarch". So, that's why I thought the translation was incorrect. However, there's another aspect to this: the boat is named specifically "Knyaz Vladimir" (Russian: Князь Владимир), not "Prince Vladimir" (Russian: Принц Владимир), so the translation "Prince Vladimir" simply may not reflect the original meaning intended by the Russian officials. I would also like to note that the person the boat is named after is generally referenced to as "Knyaz" in Russian, not "Prince", and the phrase "Knyaz Vladimir" on itself is sort of an idiom in Russian. In my opinion, the best thing to do here is to put a Knyaz Wiki-link in the article and not attempt to translate the boats name. -- Nicholas Velasquez (talk) 12:18, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I will do that for this article. You may wish to examine the individual submarine, boat, articles for the class and remove 'Prince.' Buckshot06 (talk) 01:26, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]