Talk:Border Crossing Card

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The Pew Hispanic Center report specifically gives the figure of 148 million for Mexicans AND Canadians. It nowhere says that the cards are used only by Mexicans. As such this change makes it appear to say something it doesn't. I don't know regulations have changed since 2006, or if the report is mistaken, but we can't change directly cited material like that. We do need to say who can use the card, and if only Mexicans get them as of 2011, we should indicate that specifically. But that needs a source, and obviously we can't attribute the statement to Pew.--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think your are misreading the source - In looking at the exact language from the Pew Study Fact Sheet, its cites statistics from 2004 onward and states "The vast majority of them—148 million—were Canadians and Mexicans who have Border Crossing Cards" I think its "Canadians" and "Mexicans who have Border Crossing cards", not "Canadians and Mexicans who have Border Crossing Cards" - considering that since 1998 its been impossible to get a crossing card if you were Canadian and only very rare circumstances would it be possible prior to that year I think it lends to this reading as well. In fact, if you go to the two GAO reports cited by the Pew source, they explicitly state that Canadians do not need visas to enter the US - http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d0482.pdf ("In addition,some—such as citizens of Canada or one of the 27 visa waiver countries—are not required to apply for visas and are not screened by the visa process.")

Besides the primary sources already linked in the article, there is this source - http://www.americanlaw.com/bcc.html which states

"the Department of State ("DOS") has been issuing the new biometric BCCs to Mexican citizens (but not to Canadian citizens) since April 1, 1998. The DOS currently adjudicates applications for BCCs issued to Mexican citizens and the Immigration and Naturalization Service ("INS") produces most of them. The DOS also produces some biometric BCCs. Canadian BCCs are not currently being issued.

Under previous INS regulations, a non-resident Canadian border crossing card could be issued to a Canadian citizen or British subject residing in Canada. However, this was rarely done since both Canadians and British subjects residing in Canada were visa-exempt."

Also, other sections of the sourced Pew study state "Another smaller share of the unauthorized migrant population entered the country legally from Mexico using a Border Crossing Card, a document that allows short visits limited to the border region, and then violated the terms of admission" with no mention of Canadian use.

Finally, if you go to the linked sources to the Study and look at the admission data, it clearly states that BCC are for Mexicans and Canadians are listed separate.

No doubt there are plenty of Canadian immigrants who have overstayed their legal admissions in the US, but they by virtue of their Canadian Citizenship just entered without a visa or BCC - BCCs have never been issued in any significant number to Canadians (only those with visa intelligibilities) and not at all over the last 12 years.

Bevinbell —Preceding undated comment added 17:05, 10 February 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Thank you for responding. I'm not misreading Pew; the source elsewhere discusses the fact that "Mexicans and Canadians entering the country with Border Crossing Cards are not required to complete an I-94 unless they are requesting an extended stay." And again, the number of 148 million crossings is attributed to "Canadians and Mexicans who have Border Crossing Cards that allow them to go back and forth across the border frequently for short stays, including daily commutes for work." Your edit now says that "fully 148 million were Mexicans using Border Crossing Cards", which is not what the source says. Please do not alter that statement again. Pew may have it wrong, but you can't just alter material sourced directly to them without changing the source.--Cúchullain ^t/c 20:42, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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