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Title

Should be "Bootstrap (front-end library)" since it's not a framework. In fact, its own web page states that it's a library: https://getbootstrap.com/ "Build responsive, mobile-first projects on the web with the world’s most popular front-end component library." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.25.182.36 (talk) 16:41, 3 September 2019 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_framework — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.25.182.36 (talk) 16:48, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Early history

Blueprint originally, not Baseline as mentioned somewhere in the log. See the first commit: https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/commit/eb81782cdbdc68aaebe4fa561b5fbb73ef866611 This states that Blueprint is ported to Baseline. So, the original name is "Blueprint" preceding working title "Baseline".

Comment found in the very first commit with "Bootstrap" name already present: /*

 Bootstrap v1.1
 Variables and mixins to bootstrap any new web development project. Modified from original version for Twitter Blueprint.

/

Rewrite section / Structure and function

I came to this Talk page looking for an explanation of the "Rewrite section" tag in the article. I'm inclined to remove it if it's not referenced on this page (appologies if it is and I missed it). Amead (talk) 16:42, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Likewise and I concur. Proxyma (talk) 18:20, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:COI Disclosure by User:TheDragonFire

Hey folks! I have been editing Wikipedia erratically over the past 3 years. I recently joined the Bootstrap core team, and noticed that the Wikipedia article was in a poor state (WP:ADVERT and WP:TONE issues). My instant reaction is to edit the article, but I'm very conscious of WP:COI concerns (that being said, the article in it's current state seems sufficiently promotional that I'm not sure if I could do much damage). Per WP:BOLD, I've forged forward anyway. I've added Template:Connected contributor to the top of this page. I will cease editing this article if asked to do so by any editor, and establish a consensus before continuing. I'm probably too connected to remove all of the WP:POV, so review by an unconnected contributor would be highly appreciated. --TheDragonFire (talk) 15:00, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I "vote" in favor of your continued contributions. See also my Talk about "Structure and function" Amead (talk) 16:40, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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More resources could be added

A gallery of ready to copy/paste HTML snippets, http://bootsnipp.com and a collection of Resources for Bootstrap located at http://bootsnipp.com/resources may be linked to the external resources. Msurguy (talk) 18:57, 1 November 2012 (UTC) You can find manny useful bootstrap based tools at http://www.creative-tim.com/ too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsrado (talk • contribs) 13:32, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

rename to Bootstrap (something?)

It's 'Bootstrap' rather than 'Twitter Bootstrap' these days, so renaming the article would be in order. Bootstrap (web framework) would be my initial idea for this. Thoughts? --MilkMiruku (talk) 03:26, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dead link

This article includes a dead link, but the formatting does not permit inserting "^{[dead link‍]}". We need an expert to correct the URL http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/assets/css/bootstrap.css. David Spector (talk) 20:35, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bootstrap is not hosted on a CDN by its authors because they intend it to be modified by developers. So it really should be downloaded before use. However, I've updated the code (and fixed a bug in it) linking to a CDN that hosts it. --RA (talk) 22:03, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The article seems lacking in high-level non-technical information

The "Features" sections seems like a misnomer, being as it is more about about HTML5 compatibility than the features of Bootstrap. I think that section should be renamed to "Compatibility" or something like that, and the "structure" section could become more of an overview or description. I think the article needs to do a better job of expanding "It contains HTML and CSS-based design templates for typography, forms, buttons, charts, navigation and other interface components, as well as optional JavaScript extensions." and needs to give a sense of the sort of thing you can do with Bootstrap - in other words the sort of impression you get when visiting the contents page -- Alexbowyer (talk) 16:15, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable HTML in example

I haven't used Bootstrap yet, but while reading this article I was struck by the 'Creating a fixed layout grid with fluid layout grid nested' example using <div class="4" /> a bunch of times. Is this mandated by Bootstrap or is it just something unique to the example? It's probably not ideal to use this as a basic example because using a digit as the first character in a CSS identifier is invalid unless it's escaped. --Ryan Williams (talk) 14:27, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requires jquery

The sentence "If the developer wants to use the JavaScript components, they must be referenced along with the jQuery library in the HTML document." is not clear to me. The specification says it has no dependency on jQuery, so is jQuery required or not? -- 193.134.254.26 (talk) 15:14, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you. The Transhumanist 01:06, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Significant changes on Bootstrap 4

The current list includes more "dropped" points than added. --TudorTulok (talk) 10:37, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"v5 will be on PostCSS"

https://twitter.com/mdo/status/591364406816079873:

"Oh, btw—Bootstrap 4 will be in SCSS. And if you care, v5 will likely be in PostCSS because holy crap that sounds cool."

It seems they really switched from LESS to Sass (but not to SCSS, right?). But v5 alpha is here and they haven't switched to PostCSS.

Should we somehow reflect these promises?

Criticism

...I think a section about criticism should be added. This is of course highly POV, but my perceiption of Bootstrap's graphical style is not "modern" but quite the opposite "old-fashioned".

Everything is flat (two-dimensional) and monochrome, most elements like symbols seem to be hushly drawn with no discernible design principles. Compare that to the vast texts that were created when pictograms were created in the 1960s and 70s, where the text explanation of the design principles easily filled entire books...

Many GUIs with Bootstrap underneath remind me of the early days where computers were incapable of colour and resolution. On some of them, it is hard to recognize which elements are actually buttons und which are not. If in doubt, you have to click them to find out... And this (IMHO) unpractical design style radiates to other GUIs not built with Bootstrap, that try to mimick Bootstrap's 'style' like Windows and Android, but even some TV stations redesign the wearther maps to look like (imagined) Bootstrap...134.247.251.245 (talk) 15:57, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If we were to add a criticism section it would need to be filled with statements from reliable, published sources, not the impressions of us as Wikipedia editors. -- Fyrael (talk) 19:50, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You find alot at https://stackoverflow.com/questions/28052366/is-it-bad-practice-to-use-bootstrap 134.247.251.245 (talk) 09:33, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Another: https://dev.to/codedgar/why-i-don-t-use-bootstrap-anymore-b8 134.247.251.245 (talk) 09:39, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comparison

The table labelled "Default Bootstrap colors compared to Web colors of the same name" doesn't compare anything, it simply lists the colors' definitions in different color models. Also, the encyclopaedic value of that is "limited". 134.247.251.245 (talk) 16:17, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There actually is a comparison there, although the table isn't set up in a way that makes it clear. You have to compare the row "Bootstrap Blue" to the row "Blue" that's 11 rows below it. I think I could make a simple change to improve it a bit, although I agree that it's a whole lot of detail of questionable value to an encyclopedia. -- Fyrael (talk) 20:05, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]