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This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 08:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Move wars

Hiya, coming in as an uninvolved administrator. I have no opinion on this article's content or title, but it is a concern that there is a battle with the article's title going on right now, especially because the editors engaged in this battle are not discussing their changes at talk. Please see Wikipedia:Requested moves to review the process on how to deal with controversial moves, thanks. --El on ka 15:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And how did you come along Elonka, hate to think you were following someone. BigDunc 15:18, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They are coming in as an uninvolved administrator. They have decided to not get involved in any of this [1] coupled with the editors comments here and here not to mention equally uncivil edit summaries [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7][8][9]. --Domer48_'fenian' 21:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article needs to be restored to its original name, and let those wishing to change it request a move. Mooretwin (talk) 00:07, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I personally don't care what this article is titled, but the "Northern Irish footballer" name seems to have been the most stable recently, so let's leave it at that for now. Anyone wishing to move it from that title, please request it via WP:RM. --El on ka 00:22, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Per Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons Editors must take particular care adding biographical material about a living person to any Wikipedia page. Such material requires a high degree of sensitivity, and must adhere strictly to all applicable laws in the United States and to all of our content policies, especially:

Neutral point of view (NPOV)
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Now how does the player describe themselves? Do they describe themselves as Irish or British? We are not intrested here on how others describe them, but how they self identify. Northern Ireland as opposed to Northern Irish is at least WP:NPOV in the absence of any referenced sources.--Domer48_'fenian' 23:31, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Move it to Bobby Campbell (b. 1956). GoodDay (talk) 14:11, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The correct format for a footballer would be Bobby Campbell (footballer born 1956), which is currently a redirect to this article, so we would need an admin to move it. Giant Snowman 14:28, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:35, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bobby Campbell (Northern Irish footballer) → Bobby Campbell (footballer born 1956) — WP:FOOTY discourages use of nationality wherever possible in article names, precisely because of all the hoo-ha that arises, as we can see above; we much prefer the use of NPOV date of births. Giant Snowman 14:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related page moves. Giant Snowman 14:38, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

Support. GoodDay (talk) 16:07, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support BigDunc 17:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Domer48_'fenian' 18:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Question - Where does WP:FOOTY discourage use of nationality wherever possible in article names? Mooretwin (talk) 20:54, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Answer - numerous discussions at WT:FOOTY have concluded that date of birth is the number 1 disambiguator over everything else - nationality, position, whatever. The most recent one is here. Giant Snowman 21:11, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Requested move 7 November 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed for over a week. Jenks24 (talk) 02:05, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bobby Campbell (footballer, born 1956) → Bobby Campbell (Northern Irish footballer) – The birth year is unverifiable and not consistent with other disambiguated footballers of the same name, like Bobby Campbell (English footballer), whose current name was challenged but then has been upheld. The unanimous support in 2009 RM astounds me. WP:FOOTY, cited in previous RM, is a redirect to WikiProject page, so it might not apply. WP:NCSP and WP:NCP do; so do WP:CRITERIA. George Ho (talk) 02:29, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.