Talk:Bob Holz
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Addressing 3 Multiple Issues to Adhere to Biography Policy
[edit]The 3 multiple issues from December 2019 addressed in this edit are:
From Single to Multiple Sources: After adding references from published biographies, well-known music and jazz news, the article has 7 relevant sources and no longer relies on a single source. I did include the Amazon editor comments in one reference because that described the CD better than anything else, and I researched whether or not Amazon was an allowed as Wikipedia source, and found that it was.
From Close Connection to No Connection with its Subject: I am not connected to this musician and came across this page randomly. From the Edit Review, it appears I added over 50% material, thus making the primary author not related to the subject.
Wikipedia’s notability guidelines for music: After consulting Wikipedia’s notability guidelines for music, I have included references from well-known music periodicals supporting the case of Bob Holz being a prolific music professional of national and international stature. Even I who am not a musician recognize the international prominence of the amazing collaborators and mentors for this musician on these albums, including Jean-Luc Ponty the French jazz violinist and his Hall of Fame drumming mentors, the grandfathers of Fusion Jazz James Coryell and Miles Davis. Bob’s training and experience make him imminently qualified to both preserve and innovate in this unique American genre of music. Lilaponi (talk) 01:21, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Names of Collaborating Prominent Musicans
[edit]I'm adding this because it has not been a topic of discussion, but nevertheless there have been several edits removing the names of Jazz greats with whom Bob Holz has written and performed. It is important to leave those lists of verified names of collaborators in because that is an important criteria for assessing notability. Here is Wikipedia's 6th criteria for assessing notability in musicians:
"6. Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles. This should be adapted appropriately for musical genre; for example, having performed two lead roles at major opera houses. Note that this criterion needs to be interpreted with caution, as there have been instances where this criterion was cited in a circular manner to create a self-fulfilling notability loop (e.g., musicians who were "notable" only for having been in two bands, of which one or both were "notable" only because those musicians had been in them."
As a bandleader, Bob Holz has organized jazz ensembles of no less than 4 and up to 20 validated and notable musicians (that even I as a non-musician recognize) several times within the past 10 years. Prior to that, as a professional musician and drummer he has accumulated a full resume of performing with hundreds of prominent musicians. Included in his biography are lists of prominent musicians he has shared a stage with, and Jazz greats he was able to convince to make an album with him because of the relationships he has developed over his successful career and his gravitas. Anyone in Western culture will probably recognize some of those names, but many not. The point is, notable music biographies will contain lists of names of people an editor may or may not know unless they are a Jazz musician or the topic of that specific biography in order to fulfil the criteria of ensembles containing notable musicians. Lilaponi (talk) 02:20, 5 August 2023 (UTC)