Talk:Bob's Big Boy

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Moving this off of page

The following was added to the reference section of the page by 75.92.76.52, I'm leaving it here for whatever it's worth:

There appears to be a problem with the dates of the Bob's Big Boy Incident on La Cienega Blvd. The Shotgun used in the Shooting was Mine. Taken when the Two men Robbed me and Shot me 5 times in the Back in my Auto Repair Shop. They took the Shotgun down from a hidden Location, one keeping out of sight probably because I would recognize him. I disabled the Shotgun so it couldn't be used on me. The Police came to the Hospital and asked me about the Shotgun and said it had been used in a Restaurant on La Cienega Blvd. and left at the Scene.

That was in the Fall 1978, when I got out of the Hospital the District Attorney's Office showed me Pictures and a Reciept from where I purchased the Gun. They told me the Policemen who came to the Hospital was sent upon their request. I have an 800 Page Story detailing with how a Lawyer had these people doing his dirty work after he settled the Case and told them the Case was no good. An Employee at Bob's Big Boy had a Case with the Lawyer. Whoever contributed to the Story really got their dates mixed badly.

Junkyardsparkle (talk) 04:18, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

There are five Bob's remaining

Here is a map of the Big Boy franchises c 1975.

The California restaurants are Bob's Big Boys; Michigan are Elias Brother's Big Boys; North Dakota are McDowell's Big Boys; and in Ohio (Cleveland area) are Manners Big Boys. When Bob Liggett bought Big Boy in 2000 he dropped the franchise names with the exception of Bob's. Hence on bigboy.com you have a choice of Big Boy and Bob's Big Boy menus. Notice that the Ohio and Michigan locations let you open a menu. Those menus are the same as the Big Boy menu and not the Bob's menu. They don't say Bob's Big Boy. Three of the California locations let you open a menu, all of which say Bob's. Menus for the other two can be found on each store's web site. The Riverside Drive, Burbank: bob's.net and Northridge: northridgebobsbigboy.com

Notice the difference in how the Big Boy hamburger is dressed. Bob's puts red relish on top and mayonnaise on the middle and bottom bun. (see the Bob's Big Boy menu) Big Boy uses "Big Boy special sauce" on top, middle and bottom. (compare to the Big Boy menu) (This sauce is a mix of the red relish and mayo, and is faster to make the sandwich.) The sauce, "Michigan recipe" is sold on the site too, again showing the Michigan stores are/were not Bob's. (This is called Michigan recipe because in Ohio tartar sauce was used by Manners and still is by Frisch's, Manners franchisor.)

The "Bob's" name remains in use at least partly because the Burbank restaurant is a historic landmark, and this includes the sign with the neon "Bob's". The activists who saved the building inadvertently also saved the name.

If you go to the Burbank Bob's web site you'll find specific Bob's merchandise sold.

If you look at Google Maps Street views, you'll notice the California stores' signs say Bob's Big Boy and the North Dakota, Michigan and Ohio stores' signs just Big Boy.

The North Dakota store, originally called McDowell's is completely a drive-thru operation and has a very distinct menu. (see the McDowell's ref at the main Big Boy article )

The company sites offer information that is carefully and creatively presented for aggrandizing or minimizing. More recent newspaper often just repeat these problematic accounts. Having several sources, including older news articles, trade paper articles, legal rulings or agreements and Hansen's "The Big Boy Story" often better provide true details.

In summary, there are five Bob's remaining, not eighty-one. -- βox73 (৳alk) 12:07, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Removal of franchise names was long intended. Soon after aquiring Big Boy from Marriott, Elias Brothers planned the change, as George Boury said selling his Elby's Restaurants to Elias: "...the entire chain is being united under the Big Boy name, which means our Elby's name, as well as all other franchise names, will eventually be phased out." (But removing their own "Elias Brothers" name from restaurant signs seemed a low priority before Liggett took over.) At this time (1988) the Cleveland area stores were Elias Brothers Big Boys.

The McDowell's (North Dakota) menu was quite distinct, featuring pizza burgers, french fries by the pound served with gravy, and emphasis on bucket quantities of chicken. (Harley McDowell was an early KFC franchisee and integrated this into his Big Boy operations for some time. Hence the chicken focus.) See this article and these video ads.

IMO, because of the vast gaps and promotional creativity in ordinarily reliable sources re Big Boy, exceptions using common sense are occasionally warranted if it improves the article. WP:IAR. Additionally, companies also have Facebook pages and their posts should be equivalent to the company sites. Also some blogs republish material from reliable sources. However verifiable reliable sources are best. — βox73 (৳alk) 07:54, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Well said βox73!!!

We all need to remember that not all well-intentioned editors may have ever step foot in Southern California or may even be U.S. nationals and so may follow the strict interpretations of WP:VERIFY in attempts to squash vandalism. So we will need to help these editors in their fight against vandalism and mis-information by pointing out some of the deficiencies in the available citations.

As an example, the Big Boy Location page on the Big Boy Restaurants International LLC website is not sufficient by itself to establish that there are exactly five Bob's Big Boy currently in operation in 2017 since the location page does not make a distinction between the two brands. So additional "evidence" is needed to back-up the claim, such as menus and outdoor signage.

To help fellow editors, below are some useful links to Google Maps Streetview of the Californian locations:

• Google Maps Streetview - Calimesa
• Google Maps Streetview - Norco
• Google Maps Streetview - Northridge
• Google Maps Streetview - Downey
• Google Maps Streetview - Burbank

Although most of the current Bob's franchisees appear to have received their original franchise agreements from either Wian or Marriot, there appears that there is nothing that would exclude the possibility that BBRI could grant a new Bob's franchise agreement to a location outside of California that once was the site of a former Marriot era Bob's, such as on the Pennsylvania Turnpike, if BBRI choose to do so.

So may need to add supplemental information here that is not of the newspaper, book, or verifiable source variety until a consensus be agreed upon its incorporation into the main article. -- 68.50.32.85 (talk) 01:32, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

@68.50.32.85: Thank you! Forgive my late reply and long windedness. I'm simply baffled how Elias Bros. units stripped of that name become Bob's.

I agree, if American, either these editors have never been to So. California or perhaps been outside of it.

The irony is that Bob Wian specifically franchised Big Boy, not Bob's Big Boy. Most early franchisees were already in the business and Wian essentially licensed them to sell the Big Boy hamburger and by extension, add Big Boy to their own restaurant name as he did.

All of the generic Big Boys came from regional franchisees which were not Bob's. Whatever the reason, BBRI keeps Bob's while eliminating franchise names elsewhere. This is significant to all the units. While BBRI was removing Elias Bros signs in Michigan they used "Bob's Big Boy" on new locations in Norco and Downey, California. Not only could BBRI use "Bob's Big Boy" where Marriott did like the Pennsylvania turnpike or metro D.C, they could have put it on all the existing units.

Our well intentioned fellow editors must realize that WP:VERIFY also applies to their assertions. I wait to see a Bob's sign in Michigan. Or North Dakota or Ohio. I don't believe they'll find anything.

Bigboy.com lends to the confusion, with the simplified, somewhat romanticized story of Big Boy's beginnings and the common design aesthetic. But the menu choice of "Bob's Big Boy" or "Big Boy" on the site should clarify two.

The distinction of Bob's, Big Boy, and other franchises is apparent in "The National Big Boy Organization" section of this Frisch's v Elby's ruling. (However, Wian sold to Marriott in 1967, not 1974; and the first Ohio Elby's was 1960, not 1966.) And the motivation to phase out franchise names becomes apparent. But since the Big Boy system franchisor – BBRI – own's the "Bob's Big Boy" name/logo as well as "Big Boy" the threat is insignificant to them.

On Google Maps, when "Bob's Big Boy" is entered in search six (Bob's) Big Boy locations are returned: the five California units and one in Bridgeport, Michigan. But this Michigan store is a misnomer as Bob's doesn't appear on their sign nor on the their take-out menu at bigboy.com. Their Big Boy uses special sauce not mayo and red relish as Wian did and the true Bob's stores do.

This issue should be discussed by all parties on the talk page and hopefully resolved here. The distinction seems so apparent that no recent reliable source I've seen bothers with it directly; (yet professional writers frequently get details wrong). — βox73 (৳alk) 08:11, 12 September 2017 (UTC); fix typo —βox73 (৳alk) 08:16, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

@Box73: your latest reply on this subject is well presented and needs to be as long as it needs to be so the correct information can be presented (or at least the best that is known) without propagating mis-information that has gradually crept-in during more recent times. It is also important to note that quite a few 21st century newspaper reporters cut corners on gathering background information by just copying information directly out Wikipedia instead of performing research in the archives of their own newspapers to properly get access to the newspaper reports that were written at the time the events in question had occurred. Those sloppy reporters would just reinforces errors that were previously introduced into Wikipedia.

When did the Elias Bros. dropped the Elias name? Are there newspaper reports that had made comments on the action? Did the change of the building predated the legal change by years? Or was it a BBRI decision?

The Downey Bob's Big Boy appears to be the most recent Bob's to open and might be the only location opened during the BBRI era. Since the Downey location was opened by the same franchise owner of the now closed Torrance location, it might not be a too big of a stretch that BBRI gave the arrangement their blessing. Not when the former Torrance location opened.

When did the Norco location open and what is their origin story?

The origin story of the Burbank location (which has not been added to Wikipedia, yet) is quite interesting since the father of the current owner had formed a partnership with Wian and they briefly joint own that particular location. So, indirectly at least, this location has a Wian connection.

Not sure about the Calimesa or Northridge locations.

It would be interesting to locate the contemporary newspaper accounts about David Frisch meeting Wian since franchising laws and agreements as practiced at that time is very different from what is currently being practiced. -- 68.50.32.85 (talk) 03:31, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

I return the compliments and quite agree. Further I've found that Wian/Big Boy newspaper articles as far back as the 1950s erring, such as the Big Boy hamburger created six weeks instead of months after opening. Typically the bad information becomes apparent with several sources and background history. And authors certainly are taking from Wikipedia; l discovered a book about Cincinnati Restaurants who copied and closely plagiarizing material I wrote in the Frisch's article without attribution.

Based on two articles, Elias Bros. dropped after BBRI. One was about the purchase, dated about that time and another a photo caption of workers changing the sign, commenting on the reduction of identity to Big Boy. Regardless of the timing, Michigan restaurants were never Bob's. Further almost no Elias Brothers units were company-owned and the EB franchisees' names were never used for public identity.

I have refs but having no working PC presently, I'm suffering a cell phone existence. But these might be reasonable to establish five Bob's. To be fair, the first credits the second and bigboy.com. (I just noticed the date issue which I'll review asap.)

The Norco Bob's dates to 2008, or late 2007 as the franchisee/architect and the Norco Planning Commission were negotiating in December 2007: ("The chain is expanding – adding more than 60 restaurants nationwide – and has chosen Norco as its first new location in the state [of California], said Dan Hinson, project architect with HC&D Architects." —Marquez, Liset. "Big Boy showdown continues" Inland Valley Daily Bulletin (Ontario, CA), December 13, 2007. via NewsBank, subscription req'd.)

My understanding about the Burbank restaurant (Bob's #6) is that Wian persuaded Scott MacDonald, a local homebuilder, to build it and lease it back to Wian Enterprises (as Wian Incorporated in 1946).

"In 1936, Wian established the first Bob's restaurant in Glendale and, running short on cash a few restaurants later, persuaded Scott MacDonald to foot the bill for the sixth Big Boy eatery. The restaurateur leased the coffee shop and the land around it from MacDonald until 1967, when Marriott Corp. bought Wian's interest in the Bob's Big Boy chain and replaced him as a tenant.
Marriott holds a lease with the MacDonalds that runs through 1996. At that point, the family would like to flatten the Bob's for a retail center or office" — Christian, Susan "Battle for a Bob's Big Boy: Newport Man Hopes to Raze Place; Others Fight for It." The Los Angeles Times August 11, 1992.

Son, Phillip MacDonald wanted to cash in on the land value but the building became a protected State Landmark, the MacDonalds becoming the franchisee. I suspect the monumental "Bob's" sign, being integral to the building, plays some part in the survival of the Bob's name though some contractual constraints may exist.

A Hawaiian Bob's Big Boy existed until destroyed by a 2009 fire. It was built and operated by Marriott, and later sold to local investors. Plans to rebuild stalled and the owners opened a "Bob's Big Bear" restaurant elsewhere. If rebuilt as a Big Boy, would it have been a Bob's?

The deal with David Frisch is sketchy and I don't know how much would be documented in newspapers. Chris Hansen's book tells of Dave traveling to LA to see Wian's restaurant but unable to meet Wian. It later mentions a handshake deal. Wian needed Frisch to get a federal trademark so he gave away a perpetual license to Frisch. Wian made a similar deal a year later with Larry Hatch and Bill Peters for Eat'n Park in Pittsburgh except their buck a year deal expired in 25 years. Come that time in the mid 1970s, Eat'n Park didn't re-up. Articles about BBRI's divorce with Frisch's refer to Frisch's sweetheart deal, which caused problems for BBRI selling or renewing franchises.

It's great that you are developing the Wian article. I have material written on my now corrupted laptop about Wian, particularly his food service jobs between high school and the Pantry where important events occurred. I have just written six to eight paragraphs about the growth and reduction of Bob's. Just need to add the refs and final edits.

We need a photo of Bob Wian for his article. If no public domain images are found, we can justify a non-free image for the infobox. What do you think? —βox73 (৳alk) 18:28, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

@Box73: Thumb typing on a microscopic cellphone screen large sections of text with minimal typos is a very difficult situation and I hope you don't go blind in the process. (If you can't afford a new laptop at the moment, have you thought about getting a refurbished Dell laptop or build your own desktop?) I sympathize with your situation of having data on broken computer. I had a disk failure a few years ago in which I had several refs about the founding of the Phoenix Bob's which I had not enough time to reconstruct.

I need a disc burned from an image, or else soldering a new power port and then reassembling another laptop.

I'd like to see you get an account, a username.

I will try to give as much from my faulty memory would allow about the Phoenix Bob's. If the information can be reconstructed, there might be enough information to make an entire section and possibly its own article (if photos of the long award winning structures can be found). There were several articles about the grand opening of the flagship location in Phoenix. The Phoenix was one of two Bob's franchises that Wian had granted (the other was in Las Vegas). The owner(s) of the Phoenix operation were former Bob's managers in Glendale and/or Burbank. Since the Arizona locations had Wian's name on it, Wian expected those locations to maintain the same high standards as the original L.A. area locations. Wian may have been involved in the openings each of the Arizona locations. The Phoenix flagship locations won some architecture awards. There was an article on a website of an Arizona newspaper for one of the original former Arizona franchise owner from the late 1990s or early 2000s. (Arizona Republic, July 9, 2000 article about Harry Andrews.)

Probably a section, but I admit ignorance. Johnie's Broiler seems to have sufficient notability for an article. Re images: would they be public domain? Or pre-1964 without the copyright renewed?

Growing up in Elby's territory, I'd like to have a free image or two of Robert O. Burton's designs used by Elby's, Shoney's, Marc's, Abdow's, Ken's etal,– Eastern/Midwestern franchises. The design had good scale and elegance. This would belong to the Big Boy article.

The teaser info you that you have mentioned above needs to be later incorporate in the text of the main article(s). Great start.

Which material?

It is a great blessing that many book and newspaper articles were written about Big Boy restaurants it general and Bob's in particular. I also agree with you that a lot of mistakes and other misinformation has also been incorporated and may take editors like us to sort out this mess (under the rules that govern Wikipedia). Even the highly respected New York Times is guilty of propagating mis-information:

There is a fair amount of news material if one has access and digs. Not much book material IMO. Hansen's book is good but somewhat incomplete. A good source is the archives of Nation's Restaurant News. Otherwise interviews of Wian and occasionally background in court filings/decisions. Lastly, surveying eBay Big Boy items (menus, comic books, maps) can be useful for franchise material.

Have you seen the Bob's "Car Hop" video that's online?

• "Meanwhile, Drive?In Restaurants Fade Away". New York Times. August 8, 1978. Elmo L. Geoghegan, executive vice‐president of the California‐based chain Bob's Big Boy — a chain whose founder, the late Bob Wian, is generally credited with opening the first drive‐in restaurant, on Aug. 6, 1936, in Glendale...

The anonymous NY Times writer implied that Wian had died at least a decade before the actual date. The author also erroneously implied that Wian invented the drive-in concept. Bob's first restaurant (Bob's Pantry) was a ten stool diner which did not even have room for a parking lot (which was not required when the structure was built) and there is no way that he could even have been allowed to established carhop service at the Colorado Blvd location before the early 1950s based upon the location of its nearest neighbors as extrapolated from contemporary phone and street directories. Other circumstantial evidence that may point to the lack of carhop service at the Colorado Blvd. location until just before construction of the famous 1956 McAllister drive-in structure is the opening of nearby Bob's locations in Glendale during the 1940s, some of which were almost within walking distance that also had carhop service, such as the one on East Broadway (that appeared to have moved at least once). (Of course, the only definitive proof can only be found in the land use records stored in the offices of the Los Angeles County Recorder, which would have records when Wian was able to purchase and tear down the nearby buildings.) Wian's first restaurant that is known to have carhop service was a purpose built restaurant on San Fernando Rd. in Burbank. I will give you my reasoning later and even hints on where to find photos of opening day that you might be able to use.

I'll address the Big Boy #1 drive-in issue further down.

Wian operated and probably improved drive-ins but certainly didn't invent them. Before opening Bob's Pantry, Wian worked at a White Cabin Coffee Shop, Sternberger's Rite Spot, and at a Pig Stand drive in. I suspect Bob's small die cut menus were patterned from the Pig Stand menus. Compare: [Bob's menu] • [Pig Stand menu]

Although I don't have enough time to make comments on all of the topics that I would like to, I would like to mentioned that I was unaware at the time that I was making edits to Johnie's Broiler (also known as Bob's Big Boy Broiler) at the same time you were making edits (which got very confusing at that time). You make want to a quick look at that page and may want to look at the question I had posted on the Talk page.

Lastly, I think that there is enough reference material available to advance the article, when properly rewritten, to advance it beyond its current WP:STUB status to C or better. -- 68.50.32.85 (talk) 02:50, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Death That's almost two decades too early. The Michigan press likes to credit the Elias Brothers as founders of the Big Boy chain, who sold a franchise to Wian. The year Marriott bought Big Boy is often wrong. The Frisch's web site's timeline doesn't explain the company selling the Big Boy hamburger a year before David Frisch met Wian and signing an agreement, nor why the Frisch Big Boy mascot is different.

Bob's #1 as a drive in. Chris Hansen (The Big Boy Story) provides Wian's narrative during a 1974 interview, regarding renting/acquiring properties adjoining the Bob's Pantry site. First the wine shop next door, which he rented and demolished, allowing the initial drive in lot. Then the greenhouse next to it after a Bob's drive in customer plowed into it. That gave him 100 feet on Colorado Blvd. Finally Wian bought the house of a neighbor disturbed by the commotion at the drive in. This expanded his frontage to 400 feet. (Hansen, pp 13–15) Because he rented or made payments to the owners, the titles might not reflect Wian's use of the adjoining plots, not even the Pantry site proper.

Hansen includes five photos of locations 1936-1942 (Hansen, p 17) three with carhops are of the Burbank store, another unidentified store with carhops, and the last shows the expanded Pantry building with cars parked where the wine shop was, and lettering perched on the roof line: "Coffee shop parking" with an arrow pointing to the rear. This at least supports Wian's demolition and use of that site

Rent on Bob's Pantry One curious detail from Wian narrative above: after "buying" the Pantry – Wian was paying $25/month rent. (The landlord being the same as the that of the wine shop next door.) This makes sense since even in the depression $300 or $350 seems meager – he paid $4500 for the wine shop and $3500 for the house. So what did the $350 buy – the equipment and furnishings? The building maybe? But not the land. — βox73 (৳alk) 23:55, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

References

The Rite Spot: Glendale or Pasadena?

@Countash:: There is a Rite Spot at 1500 W. Colorado in Pasadena but Wian worked at the one on 606 E. Colorado in Glendale. See:

• "He (Wian) went to work at his favorite restaurant in Glendale, the Rite Spot." Santa Ana Orange County Register June 9, 1986.
• Leonard Dunagen was Wian's boss at the Rite Spot. The Los Angeles Times June 9, 1931.
• A help wanted ad: "... Rite Spot 606 E Colorado Glendale" The Los Angeles Times October 8, 1942.

— βox73 (৳alk) 06:28, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

"Went" not needed—the nominative absolute

@Leavit2stever: Thank you for your interest in improving Bob's Big Boy. After seeking feedback, it is clear that "His father's furniture business bankrupt, Wian washed dishes in the school cafeteria to pay for lunch" is fine. The structure of the opening clause is called the nominative absolute. (It's a new term to me too.) Simply adding "went" to the sentence actually creates other grammatical issues. Although unnecessary, working alternatives in that position are "now" and "having gone", and possibly adding "with" at the beginning of the sentence. However, we need to consider a wide audience. Would either of those alternatives make the sentence more readable for you? Let me know what you think.

Thanks — βox73 (৳alk) 03:28, 30 December 2017 (UTC) inserted material — βox73 (৳alk) 03:46, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Having looked it over, the original sentence was acceptable after all, so I agree that the change wasn't necessary. Thanks. Leavit2stever

What's the difference between Bob's Big Boys in So. Cal. and Big Boy restaurants in Michigan, if anything beyond the lack of the word Bob in the Michigan chain?

There are 75 Big Boy restaurants in Michigan, which it's website suggest are related too or a part of the Bob's Big Boy chain. When you visit the Big Boy webpage and look at the locations page, you see both the Michigan locations and the So. Cal. locations listed. While the Michigan locations omit the word Bob's from the chain's name, it's not clear they are distinctly different restaurants from the So. Cal Bob's Big Boys, sort of like the difference between Hardee's and Carl's Jr. restaurants which started as separate restaurants but have largely merged save for the name differences and some menu differences. What this article really needs is some explanation of the differences between Bob's Big Boy restaurants in So-Cal and Big Boy restaurants in Michigan. The Big Boy websites lists then as being part of the same chain just a slight name difference in the So. Cal locations. While I get the impression that the Big Boy Michigan locations are owned by separate people from the So. Cal. Bob's Big Boys, It's not clear there are really distinct differences between the two, as they are all franchise restaurants that serve similar menus. We need to clarify the relationship between the two restaurant chains in this article. Were they Big Boy Michigan restaurants once Bob's Big Boys and are they currently serving the same sport of menu or are their key differences that makes them more of a name only relationship these days? --Notcharliechaplin (talk) 01:24, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

@Notcharliechaplin:: You are right, Bob's is licensed by Big Boy in Michigan, largely offers the same menu and is listed on the Big Boy website. No, the Michigan restaurants were Elias Brothers Big Boys and they were only required to sell the Big Boy hamburger and promote Big Boy. The removal of franchise co-branding began with Elias Bothers and was realized after Bob Liggett bought the company. It occurred to strengthen the brand and make it impossible for franchises to drop Big Boy and continue with their co-brand. The name Bob's however had strong identity in Southern California an was also owned by Big Boy so it was excepted.

Why two articles? The distinction is primarily historic and there are good reasons to maintain two articles. First, the general Big Boy article has or is reaching its limits for size, and combining the articles would create a need to break up the Big Boy article in some other way. Second, the Big Boy article already includes summarized material about each of the historic Big Boy franchises including Bob's. Third, Bob's was the original, the direct creation of Bob Wian that led to other franchises and we can provide history here in more detail here and wikilink it. Bob's Big Boy also has a distinct identity in the Southern California area which is why Elias Brothers and Bob Liggett didn't remove the co-brand name like they did others.

It would be a good idea to review the articles and see how we can better clarify the relationship. Thank you and I'm sorry it took as long to respond. — βox73 (৳alk) 04:02, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Big Boy expansion in Nevada

A Big Boy restaurant opened in November in Indian Springs, Nevada with another planned for the Centennial Hills suburb of Las Vegas. These restaurants were originally called Bob's Big Boys, but Bob's was dropped from the name. The Michigan parent is probably disallowing the Bob's name, as cobranding is disallowed generally. Regardless, since this article covers Bob's Big Boy, I think we don't need go further in covering Big Boy Nevada. Coverage belongs in the Big Boy restaurants article. — βox73 (৳alk) 06:01, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

A second statue photo?

@OceanBoulevard: Thank you for your interest in the Bob's Big Boy article. There are many articles that could benefit from the LOC photos. In this case, we have an existing photo of a Big Boy statue. Is the additional photo adding anything to the article or just making it busy? Did you find any other Bob's related photos that could add something lacking instead? — βox73 (৳alk) 01:19, 4 January 2022 (UTC)