Talk:Blue Yodel No. 1 (T for Texas)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 07:48, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I found and corrected mistakes before I saw this. I have excellent sources. Sorry-Dace Tillywilly17 (talk) 04:55, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

I will review this later today, was good to work with you on the Kui Lee review and hopefully you'll keep up your level of response here! --K. Peake 07:48, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

Should the name be "Blue Yodel" or "Blue Yodel No. 1 (T for Texas)"
February 1928 → February 3, 1928, as that is mentioned as the exact release date in the body
Victor Studio 1, New York City → Victor 1 (New York City) since the word studio is not supposed to be used in the infobox's parameter of the same name
Blues is not sourced as a genre; the song is only mentioned as including a pattern and licks, so solely keep country here since that is sourced
Rodgers is not sourced anywhere in the body as having written the song; mention this in the opening section, as there is too little personnel for a section
Remove the audio sample from the infobox since not only is there one of the song in the body already, but samples don't belong in infoboxes
"is a song written by" → "is a song by American singer-songwriter" since you need to introduce who he is
The sentence should end after his name; follow this up with the second sentence mentioning who produced and wrote the song. Also, the release info should be the sentence after this one.
"released by the" → "The song was released as a single by the" with the target
"in February 1928." → "on February 3, 1928."
"Rodgers recorded it" should start the sentence after the release one
"had originally recorded Rodgers" → "had originally recorded with Rodgers"
Target Bristol Sessions to Bristol sessions
"The tune features a traditional bar form blues," → "The song features a traditional blues bar form," with the wikilinks
"during the instrumental breaks between stanzas." → "during the breaks between stanzas."
Add info about the lyrical meaning of the song to the lead
Merge the second and third paras, as they are both too short at three sentences each
"It became Rodgers'" → "The song became Rodgers'"
"his live performances and" → "his live performances, and"
Target Blue Yodels to Blue yodel
"and Rodgers became known" → "with Rodgers becoming known"
"recorded the song," → "recorded their versions of the song,"

Background

"As a teenager, Jimmie Rodgers sang" → "As a teenager, Rodgers sang"
"As an adult," → "During his adulthood," to avoid starting two consecutive sentences the same way
[1] should be at the end of the second sentence too since it should be invoked more than once during four sentences
"He selected a group" → "Rodgers selected a group"
"That same year, Victor Talking Machine Company's producer" → "Also in 1972, the Victor Talking Machine Company's producer" since this is a new para
"record local talent following" → "record local talent, following"
"in Bristol, Tennessee, on" → "in Bristol, per"
Target sessions to Bristol sessions
"On August 4," → "On August 4, 1927"
"produced the record" → "produced the tracks"

Recording

Retitle to Recording and composition, as this section also deals with the song's comp
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"he was in town" → "he was there"
"a few songs.[5] Peer set up" → "a few songs;[5] Peer set up" since those two sentences are too short and should be merged
"for November 30." → "for November 30, 1927."
"at the Victor Talking Machine's" → "at the Victor Talking Machine Company's
Wikilink acoustics
"by other artists. Peers intended" → "by other artists, as Peers intended"
Target "Blue Yodels" to Blue yodel
Wikilink should be on double entendre part of the text, ending before the plural
"Rodgers' either developed using" → "Rodgers either developed the usage of"
"Rodgers' wife, Carrie, suggested" → "Jimmie Rodgers' wife Carrie suggested" per MOS:SAMESURNAME
"told the story of" → "was used to tell the story of"
"on her and her lover." → "on her and the lover."
"He says he is" → "The narrator says he is"
Wikilink blues
"a month before Rodgers' recording session took place" are you referring to the Studio 1 session? If so, then reword appropriately.
"train can haul"." → "train can haul."", as that is a full sentence quoted, but you need to add wording to make the passenger train parts relevant to the article
""The Faking Blues" the line changed to," → ""The Faking Blues", the line is changed to,"
"train can haul"." → "train can haul.""
"had appeared in Ma Rainey's" → "appeared in Ma Rainey's"
The audio sample text should aligned to the left, as there is media earlier in this section on the right so it looks awkward to have this on the same side later on. Also, wikilink yodeling, add a full-stop at the end of the sentence and invoke the appropriate citations here because the signature part is not mentioned until the next section.
"that suggest a" → "and suggesting a"
Wikilink walking bass per MOS:LINK2SECT

Release and reception

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"after the recording session," → "after the Studio 1 recording session,"
"and paired it with "Away Out in the Mountain"." → "and paired it with the B-side "Away Out in the Mountain"." with the target, to be more specific
"on February 3." → "on February 3, 1928."
"with the Washington, D.C., radio station" → "with Washington, D.C. radio station"
"It spent fourteen consecutive weeks topping" → "It spent 14 consecutive weeks atop" per MOS:NUM
"By September, Rodgers'" → "By September 1928, Rodgers'"
The equivalent amounts are not backed up
"to US$100,000" → "to $100,000" since you have already identified the type of dollar being written as the US one
"Rodgers' sang the song" → "Rodgers sang the song"
"short, The Singing Brakeman." → "short film The Singing Brakeman."
"released on Columbia Records" → "which was released on Columbia Records"
"a version in June." → "a version in June 1928."
"recorded in February 1930" → "recorded in February 1930,"

Legacy

Later recordings

"rendition on Capitol Records" → "rendition for Capitol Records"
"record dealers and" → "record dealers, and"
"The reviewer noted that" → "The magazine's reviewer noted that"
"version on Monument Records" → "version for Monument Records"
"Hot Country Songs." → "US Hot Country Songs chart."
"included it on" → "included their version on"
Add release year of Wanted! The Outlaws in brackets
"first platinum-certified record." → "first platinum-certified record in the US."
"peaked at number thirty-nine in" → "peaked at number 39 on" per MOS:NUM

Influence

"at number twenty-nine on" → "at number 29 on"
"The publication defined it" → "The publication's staff defined it"
"Rodgers line from" → "Rodgers' lyrics from" since that is more than a line
"poor Thelma, Just to" → "poor Thelma/Just to"
Add release year of "Folsom Prison Blues" in brackets
Add a comma after the book's title
"During George Harrison's childhood," → "During band member George Harrison's childhood," so it flows better from the previous sentence

Chart performance

Retitle to Charts, as this is displaying the positions without any prose
Lay the positions out in the proper format; take recently-passed GA "Más Allá" for example and use "Despacito" as a guideline to seperate the different versions' positions
See MOS:TABLECAPTION

References

Copyvio score looks very good at 23.1%!
Archive all of these that can be
Prentice-Hall → Prentice Hall, citing as publisher instead
Target Chattanooga Daily Times to Chattanooga Times Free Press
Target Rounder Books to Rounder Records
Target The Journal of American Folklore to Journal of American Folklore
Target Simon and Schuster to Simon & Schuster
Cite Oxford University Press as publisher instead
Target Facts on File to Infobase Publishing
Cite The Charlotte Observer as newspaper instead
The Miami Herald → Miami Herald
Target Hachette UK to Hachette (publisher)
Allmusic → AllMusic, citing as publisher instead (only wikilink for the former source)

Final comments and verdict

On hold until all of the issues are fixed; I definitely noticed a lack of OR here compared to Lee's article! --K. Peake 19:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment

@Kyle Peake::As an opening comment, I thank again your interest to review another one of my articles. It is nice to work with such an attentive reviewer. Now a few points:

I added within the body of the article a line to clarify that Rodgers was credited with writing the song.
I moved the excerpt of the introduction of the song to another box down below with the yodel. Now, I want to make a case for keeping both files. I consider important to use the opening lines, since it is the direct cause as to why people refer to this song as "T for Texas". I left in the infobox "Blue Yodel" because it is the name that appears on the label of the record, and the original name of the publishing and such. When it comes to the yodel, I added an excerpt because a paragraph of the section discusses it at length. That, in addition to the reduced quality and 10% of the total duration, would qualify it as fair use.
I hold something against linking it to Single (music) or defining A-side and B-side. Most of the bibliography that talks about the early recording era refers to the releases rather as "disks" or "records". The point is that back then, there were no albums, therefore nothing to promote. Moreover, as you can read in the subsection "History" of the A and B side Wikipedia entry, there was no value assigned to which song was to be put on each side of the record. The record business was pretty much just being established, and this concepts appeared by the end of the 1940s, or early 1950s. Unfortunately, I can't access now the preview on Google Books to provide you with a link, but it was nicely covered on pages 193 and 194 of this book.
Tell me what you think about the changes in the charts. It is the first time I use this new system.

Again, thanks for taking the review. About the OR, you could say I did not deviate too much this time because Rodgers is a subject nicely covered by books. I pretty much had to piece up the story of Kui Lee from newspapers for the previous article, and sometimes I forgot from where I even got some things. But well, I'll be more careful next time. Thankfully, topics like this one have been carefully researched by a great number of authors.--GDuwenHoller! 21:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to mention something about the recording personnel. Well, there was Rodgers and his guitar for sure. Peer was on the booth. Rather than that, there are no details available as to mention engineers and such. But it is rather common when it comes to recordings of this period. If you are really lucky, there are some details available of the people behind the recording, but I would consider that a luxury! The information contained on the record labels/matrix details tends to be rather scarce. By the way, do you think that it is worthy to mention the 1933 overdub mentioned here?--GDuwenHoller! 22:04, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GDuwen Thank you for going into such detail in response! It is fine for you to have moved the infobox sample to the body next to the yodelling one, but they both required text even if the yodelling is mentioned throughout that area; just try summarization text moreso in this context. They still need to be moved to the left as well, plus the charts need fixing a lot still – take a proper look at the articles I wikilinked. --K. Peake 05:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kyle Peake:I took a second look at the table, and then I went right to the link of the manual of style. I added that caption. I also noted that about the "scope" columns. I didn't even notice that stuff when looking at the code for "Más Allá"! (Obviously, things have changed lately, and I kept editing charts the same way for the last ten years. Time to do a tour around my old ones!). The sound samples are now aligned to the left.--GDuwenHoller! 19:37, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GDuwen It is fine, updates are ongoing regularly and you still need to fix the audio sample text for yodelling. --K. Peake 19:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kyle Peake:Done.--GDuwenHoller! 19:51, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@GDuwen: ✓ Pass now after some copy editing from me; you did not add info about the meaning of the song to the lead, but I'm not entirely sure if it is actually notable for the lead on second consideration... how do you feel? This is only minor, which is why I can still pass. --K. Peake 20:54, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kyle Peake:Oh, yea, I forgot that. I'll add a simple line to reflect it. Otherwise, thanks for another dedicated review!--GDuwenHoller! 20:59, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GDuwen My pleasure, you are a very constructive worker to interact with on here and it is plausible how you've always been responsive to me in a good amount of time! I am fine with you having missed a few points that I went over as it's hard to get everything first time, plus thanks for the new fix! --K. Peake 21:03, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]