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Blencathra or Saddleback?

Most people locally especially those born in the area call the mountain or fell Saddleback not Blencathra Penrithguy (talk) 22:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The page can't be called Saddleback because it is ambiguous (see Saddleback for a list of alternatives), so it would need to be disambiguated to Saddleback (Lake District) (or similar). On the other hand, Blencathra is unambiguous. Given the choice between Saddleback (Lake District) and Blencathra, which would you prefer?

The other reason for preferring Blencathra is that, in my experience, at least, the reliable sources that I've seen either use both names or solely Blencathra. Wikipedia's naming conventions state "Wikipedia determines the recognizability of a name by seeing what verifiable reliable sources in English call the subject", and at the moment, that seems to be Blencathra.

I'm aware that it's possible that there is a selection effect in operation here. Most of my books on the subject are oriented towards walking or climbing, rather than, say, local studies or geology or anything else that might have cause to mention the mountain. Within the walking community, Alfred Wainwright's very vocal preference for Blencathra over Saddleback has had a large effect; outside of that subject area, Wainwright's opinions are probably less widely respected (or even known).

Anyway, at the moment, my vote is for leaving the article here at Blencathra, though I'm certainly open for persuasion otherwise. — ras52 (talk) 11:50, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As far as the name of the article goes, I agree with Ras52. I would also say that I think we have to consider the wider audience reading wikipedia, not just those who are born or live locally. Some quick google searches suggest that Blencathra is used considerably more than Saddleback generally.

However, there's perhaps more of a case for including the alternative name in the opening sentence: i.e. "Blencathra, also known as Saddleback, is one of the..." as per MOS:BEGIN#Opening paragraph --David Edgar (talk) 16:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was not actually suggesting changing the article's name I was just noting that it is more knowen locally as Saddleback in fact not being a mountaineer or fellworker I have very rarely heard it called Blencathra Penrithguy (talk) 22:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent. In that case, I think we're all in agreement. I've updated the opening sentence per David Edgar's suggestion. — ras52 (talk) 23:57, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You say "It is likely that the name Blencathra is derived from the Cumbric elements blaen (a bare hill top) and "cadeir", later cathrach, (a chair), potentially indicating a Gaelic influence" You are contradicting yourself, how can you say on one hand its cumbric then say its indicating Gaelic influence? the location is smack bang in the middle of the old kingdom of Rheged, and a old Cumbric speaking area "Y hen Gogledd" I suggest you just remove the part "potentially indicating a Gaelic influence", as this is blatantly a "Cumbric" name albeit slightly anglicized. You need to understand that Gaelic is Q-Celtic, and Cumbric is P-Celtic, they are quite different languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgdavies (talk • contribs) 12:26, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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