Talk:Bleach (album)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Downer in 1985

Downer was included in Illiteracy Will Prevail, a 1985 side project that occurred before Krist and Kurt had ever played together, and the lyrics are identical, (I know because I have both versions) therefore you should remove the brackets that say Downer is written by Kurt and Krist yutsi (talk) 01:51, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Indie rock as genre!

Bleach should be labeled as Indie rock. First of all, they recorded Bleach on Sub Pop records, an indie rock label. Second, Blender magazine rated this # 63 on their top 100 indie rock album. Third,grunge is arguable as being a main indie subgenre in the early 90s. Talk to me on this page or on my discussion page. Bye! Voxfan, the master of strategy games! Voxfan (talk) 02:22, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I think you are confused with Indie music and Independent record label. Sub Pop is an indie record label who sign grunge artists. 86.3.61.125 (talk) 22:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

No im not confusing them at all. If you were right then tell me why this album is on Blender's list stated above. Voxfan (talk) 02:39, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Blender's list? Where? Also, please provide reliable sources. 86.3.61.125 (talk) 21:20, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, go to [1] Thats the list. This is a reliable source. Voxfan (talk) 21:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I believe that is a music social networking site and not a reliable source. Any content that is user generated does not count as reliable (including Wikipedia) If you go take a look at the staff part of the website they don't even take their "jobs" seriously. Please bring it to WP:reliable sources for greater input. 86.3.61.125 (talk) 07:13, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Genre...

Until debated, I'm going to add "hardcore punk" to the genre-box.

The songs "Negative Creep," "Floyd the Barber," "Love Buzz," "School," "Mr. Moustache," "Swap Meet" all have AT LEAST strong hardcore punk influences, and I believe that's enough to justify adding "hardcore punk" to the genre-box. And if your argument is, "But NIRVANA's a grunge band!" don't bother. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CheezerRox4502 (talk • contribs) 02:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Its now saying not to add hardcore punk or anything else without discussing it here. Well, I already posted here, and no one's objected, so until someone does, I'll continue to add it into the genre-box. CheezerRox4502 (talk) 02:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I actually don't care that much. I define genres more by style than by timeframe. I'm just saying there are many others who will revert any adding of hardcore punk. ^Tezkag₇₂ 16:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, if they're willing to actually come out and give a good explanation why it's ONLY grunge, I'll listen, but if it's only because of the stupid time-frame rule then I'll continue to add it. CheezerRox4502 (talk) 20:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually only "Downer" has explicit hardcore influence (and that's not even on all versions of the album). Aside from that, "About A Girl" is influenced by the Beatles and R.E.M., "Love Buzz" is a cover by a 1960s psychedelic group, and the rest of the album is pretty typical of the Sub Pop grunge sound circa 1989. WesleyDodds (talk) 21:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

If you check my original post, I never included "About a Girl" or "Downer" as my examples. Anyway, "Downer"'s more of a flat-out punk song than a hardcore punk track. "Love Buzz" may be a Shocking Blue cover, but NIRVANA definately made it their own, which included making it much heavier. "About a Girl" is a pop song, that's simple. The rest of the album is very grungey, but some of it is heavier than average grunge, and has more punk influences than anything else that influenced grunge, so I think it makes sense to just add "hardcore punk" to the box. CheezerRox4502 (talk) 23:43, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Have you heard any Sub Pop material from the late 80s? Mudhoney, early Soundgarden, and the like? That's what the genre sounded like at the time. The band members themselves have said they felt pressured to make an album that fit the style of Sub Pop releases. In the case of "School", the band considered it such a cliche grunge song they were originally going to call it "The Seattle Scene". It's very much a grunge album, and there's no reason or rationale to add "hardcore" to the infobox, because it isn't a hardcore album. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:35, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I've heard late-eighties Sub-Pop material, but all I'm saying is to ADD hardcore punk. You have to admit, this album has a very strong punk feel, now, it's not a full-fledged punk record, but it's definately got more of a punk influence than anything else, and it's a very HEAVY punk, ergo, hardcore punk. All I'm saying is to add it, I don't think it would change that much. CheezerRox4502 (talk) 03:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I completely agree with Wesley on this. Eighties grunge bands were strongly influenced by hardcore punk, and Bleach is very much a "typical" eighties grunge record. Hence the album is bound to resemble hardcore in some ways. What you're neglecting to mention is that it also resembles heavy metal – which was added to the infobox numerous times before. ~Asarlaí 18:06, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Superfopp, Kurt Cobain hated metal. yutsi (talk) 01:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Then why does he say that Bleach is influenced by Black Sabbath and Celtic Frost, not to mention Kurt was and a massive fan of and close friends with The Melvins, a band who this album greatly resembles. If anything should be added other than Grunge its Sludge Metal (195.128.238.134 (talk) 18:38, 15 September 2009 (UTC))

Title

Quotes? Is the title Bleach, or "Bleach", as implied on the cover? Sources? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I just looked on the iTunes Store and it's listed as Bleach there, I for one am prepared to go with that. Anywho, on the Blew EP cover it says "Blew", but the title of that song is most definitely Blew without quotation marks, as listed on the back cover of the album. Where's my cheque? ^{Talk to me...} 18:57, 30 June 2009 (UTC)