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{{Infobox civilian attack}} seems to be inappropriate here, certainly with stuff like the 1945-1951 statistics that reflect only a small time period of what is under discussion. That type of info should rather be in the applicable part of the article body. {{African American topics sidebar}} and {{Genocide}} are a good fit, though. Pharos (talk) 04:11, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the choice of infobox is problematic. It was put in place 2.5 months ago by Vanisherman.[1] The article does its job quite well without having an infobox. Binksternet (talk) 05:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree it should be removed, the article is about an idea or an allegation against the United States, the info-box acts as if it is all real. It is a major POV problem and we should remove it. I think we should remove it now, but I can wait for more concencus. LuxembourgLover (talk) 07:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Recent changes: conspiracy theory

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I've noticed a couple of people have tried to add the note that Black genocide is a conspiracy theory to the article without sources. So here's a place to talk about it.

Currently, the article does flag those elements of the topic that are considered by RS to be more or less conspiratorial, and gives them WP:DUE.

The issue is that most scholars actually point out that there has been historic control or suppression of Black fertility/births, widescale violence and murders, segregation, etc, in the US, which means the issue isn't a clear yes/no in regards to whether it's a "conspiracy theory".

Most scholars agree that the belief birth control is Black genocide is a conspiracy theory, but that other parts of the argument are not and may have validity. Adding in Wikipedia's voice that Black genocide is a conspiracy theory in the opening line is therefore WP:UNDUE and WP:BIAS.

Also, as the article points out, Black genocide arose as a term because political movements were trying to raise awareness of inequality and injustice against African Americans on an international scale. That's right there in the lede — it's an important rhetorical tool, if nothing else, to broach that discussion.

That's not the same as, say, the topic of white genocide, which is the largely unfounded belief that multiculturalism and immigration are annihilating white people, because there isn't a history of extreme violence, murder, enslavement, etc, of white people in America, as a whole, like there is for Black people. That means there's a qualitative difference between the two so we shouldn't draw false equivalences without RS to back it up.

Of course, if there are RS that contradict what is currently in the lede, I would welcome people sharing them so we can discuss them and get a new consensus if needed. Lewisguile (talk) 06:34, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]