Talk:Bjelopavlići (tribe)

Correct Origins

I happened to stumble upon an article about the origins of MANY Albanian, Montenegrin and Herzegovinian clans on Projekti Rastko - Shkodër / Projekat Rastko - Skadar. It explains that the Bjelopavlići descended from Bijeli Pavle (Pal i Bardh), a son of Leka, an Albanian military captain from Metohija, of the Dukagjini clan. The Bjelopavlići are blood-relatives to the Kosovar Gashani as their ancestor, Gavrilo (or Gasho in Albanian), was the brother of Bijeli Pavle. If you would like, I could provide the article to prove my so-called "theory". --Prevalis (talk) 01:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We should bring all the folk traditions and versions as possible to this article in order to make it richer, yes.

Lol, you discovered Rastko - Shkoder only now? :) I could've given the links a long time ago. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 20:11, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article clearly says there are several theories of the origin of Bjelopavlici: one is that Bijeli Pavle is a son of Leka Dukagjini - an Albanian prince that was born in 1410 - with the first mention of the Bjelopavlici (family) in 1411 that is undisputedly impossible. Another theory is that he is one of the "highland brothers" (Bijeli Pavle, Vaso, Pipo i Ozro).

--92.32.40.6 (talk) 07:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To ease the political conflict, I believe both of you understand:

Narodna predanja o zajedničkom poreklu ili nekim zajedničkim precima postoje i kod Srba i kod Albanaca. Poznata su predanja o tome da su neka crnogorska i neka arbanaška plemena narasla od jednog lica, odnosno razgranala se od rođene braće. Tako su, na primer, albanski Krasnići i crnogorski Vasojevići, prema predanju, dva plemena narasla od dva rođena brata.[1]

Jedan od zajedničkih junaka, koje opevava i srpska i albanska epska poezija, je Đurađ Kastriot Skenderbeg, slavni ratnik iz 15. veka koji se borio protiv Osmanlijskih osvajača.

Srpski prosvetitelj Dositej Obradović je 1769. godinu proveo kod jedne familije „Arbanasa“, od kojih je upoznao njihov narod i kulturu, kao i naučio albanski jezik. Vikicitati „Kako je meni bilo kod istih Albaneza čuti da govore: 'Ko Serbijom ovlada, toga ćemo i mi za našeg vladatelja priznati, zašto srpski kraljevi i naši su bili.' [..] Nedaleko od Hormova naode se neka prekrasna polja, koja Albanezi ne zovu drugačije nego Lepa-žita. Pitam ih ja šta to znači. „Ne znamo“, kažu mi: „to je ime polja“. A kada im ja to razjasnih, kazjući im da je srpska reč, „More kaluđeru“, odgovore mi, „ne čudi se ti tome; mi smo sa Srblji jedan rod i pleme u staro vreme bili.““ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.114.179.165 (talk) 18:07, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Move to "Bjelopavlići"

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to Merge Bjelopavlići (tribe) and Bjelopavlići plain to Bjelopavlići Klbrain (talk) 21:22, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The article should be principally about the region, and then the clan (anthropology of this region). Bjelopavlići plain and Bjelopavlići (clan) are thus to be merged.--Zoupan 15:58, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Consistency with Kastrati, Škrijelj, ...--Antidiskriminator (talk) 18:25, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a good idea to me.Klbrain (talk) 21:21, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This article was nominated for merging with Bjelopavlići on 16 May 2013. The result of the discussion was Merge.