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Item numbers

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My contribution to this page was a pair of sentences referring to the small numeral placed near the artist's signature to tally of odd objects included in the drawing. It was removed and not replaced -- with no explanation to me of why that information didn't belong on the page.

The single word "speculation" appears on the edit page, which tells me the editor disagrees with me or he thinks it needs a footnote.

Clarification, please. I will try to place much of this same write-up on his talk page. I'm new at this and don't want to step on any toes or stub my own toe. JM in San Diego CA (talk) 06:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I meant speculation, as in "this is speculation". To expand on that, I removed it chiefly because I examined a weeks worth of comics and could find no corollary. With no source to check, I assumed that it was a random edit and removed it. (I'm sorry if I sound brusque; I don't intend to be, but I often seem to sound that way in text) Westrim (talk) 08:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Citations and refs for awards (long, complicated discussion)

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Recently Dan Piraro himself stopped by and edited the article to correct, as he says, "the years for which I have been nominated for the NCS's Reuben Award, from 2002 to 2002-2008. This can be confirmed through www.reuben.org". Fine, I don't mind if the article's more accurate, especially since the details are purportedly confirmable. I notice the article lacks refs anyway, so I went off to the site mentioned so I could grab some URLs and put them in the article where they should have been.

Oh boy, what a mess. My research at the National Cartoonists Society (NCS) site was inconclusive, as the NCS seems uninterested in revealing past nominees (a press release for Reuben winner Jaffee from the previous year — 2007 in 2008 — which mentioned the other two nominees was all I found). So my first complaint is that, no, Mr. Piraro, this can't be confirmed through www.reuben.org. At least, I couldn't find it. If you (Dan or any other editor) can point us to relevant URLs, please do.

BTW, I want to mention the conclusion I reached while trying to research these awards at the NCS site and elsewhere. It appears that, in around May of each year, awards are presented in various categories "for" the previous year. That is, nominees are announced in March of (e.g.) 2009, honored in May of the same year, and listed as having won the award for the previous year (e.g.), 2008. It also appears that the Caniff and T-Square awards are different, being honorary awards listed under the same year as their presentation. (And can anyone confirm or refute this conclusion?)

So, now for some confusion, which I hope others here can help clear up. The NCS site lists the winners of the award for best Newspaper Panel (note that this isn't the Reuben, it's an award in a separate category) at [1] I'd consider this an authoritative source (not counting any little errors which might have crept in). Here, Dan Piraro is the winner shown for 1998, 1999, and 2000 (presumably winning in 1999, 2000, and 2001, respectively). Unfortunately, the bio listed at the NCS site (produced by the artist himself, apparently) states that, "BIZARRO won three consecutive Best Cartoon Panel awards from the NCS for the years, 1999, 2001, & 2002", which is obviously off a bit. It gets worse at the syndicate's press release (annoyingly undated, but presumably from early 2006), which claims that he "won three consecutive awards for "Best Newspaper Cartoon Panel of the Year" in 2000, 2001 and 2002."

I think we have to go with the NCS list, which doesn't match the article's current text, namely, "for 1999, 2000, 2001." We need to either change the years by one (less) or change "for" to "in". The article at Dan Piraro needs the same change. We can then add the NCS awards lists as a reference for the winning of the Panel awards.

I tried to find other sources to confirm the Reuben nominations (as well as the correct years for the Best Panel awards).
* Blog posts from "Adam" at Simpsons Channel in 2003 supported by King Features Syndicate say Piraro was nominated for Reuben [for 2002];
* WittyWorld, presumably in 2004 (since it points to "Saturday, May 29" for 2003 (although some other award categories have discrepancies);
* World Famous Comics in 2005 for 2004;
* The Daily Cartoonist in 2006 [for 2005];
* GoComics' Rants & Raves in 2007 [for 2006];
* The Daily Cartoonist in 2008 nominated [for 2007] (concur in Tom Richmond's blog, 2008.

There are other sites I can find to support the links shown (esp. for 2008/2009), but I haven't found any that are really authoritative; they seem to be universally "some blog" or a press release from a comics syndicate. I close with these questions:

1.) Do you think these references are adequate to support the claim that Dan Piraro was nominated for the NCS Reuben Award for each year from 2002 to 2008?.

2.) Should all of these (or others I find) be listed as references (making a string of refs 8 to 12 long)?

3.) Does anybody have a better reference, preferably one which consolidates (and reliably confirms) all of this info? Does the NCS have it somewhere?

Sorry for the long discussion, but I'd like to see this done right. I'm still kind of new here. I'd therefore prefer to gather some input before I boldly make a bunch of changes myself. Thanks. JohnFromPinckney (talk) 02:03, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hidden symbols

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I've been seeing "pie repair" as the name or description of businesses in the strip. E.g., on the truck in today's strip or on the window of the door to a shop. Presumably this is related to "the Pie of Opportunity", but it seems to me that it rates mention as a distinct symbol. DWorley (talk) 16:39, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

After having followed the item counts for a while, it appears that "pie repair" itself is not counted as an item, though the image of the pie, which often accompanies it, is counted.DWorley (talk) 15:19, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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new artist for the daily edition

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The daily version has a new artist/writer. For more details, see "Pittsburgh artist Wayno to take over nationally syndicated 'Bizarro' comic" at http://triblive.com/aande/moreaande/13140362-74/pittsburgh-artist-wayno-to-take-over-nationally-syndicated-bizarro-comic

I found this out after I noticed that a panel was signed "Wayno and Piraro." WikiAlto (talk) 12:13, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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