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VCD Episodes

Marikina 03:00, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just announced on Bitag last week (and iterated today) na they're willing to burn anyone a copy of their favorite episode for free provided that you bring your own CD. Ayos ito yun nga lang, are they willing to entertain mga fans na wala naman balak gamitin para sa thesis (the idea sprung from the "nursing situation" kasi) and kung puwede mag-dump sila ng sandamakmak na *.avi's na lang sa CD instead of a straight up VCD?

Miffster 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Ayus yan ah, hindi na ko nakakapanood ng BITAG, medyo busy eh. I don't think sine-save nila yun as an MPEG4 AVI though... Nakita ko na archives ng IBC13 noon and turns out they still store stock video episodes in tapes hehe. Ayus yan kung ginagamit nila sa BITAG eh digital editing pero right now, I think the most convenient format for them would be DAT, which is MPEG1, dahil mas mabilis ang post-production pag ganun ang output. Anyway, I'll try to visit the BITAG Action Center or IBC13 sometime when I'm free to know more about this offer, and hopefully have the videos re-encoded (tulungan ko na sila kung hindi sila familiar with MPEG4) and avail myself of nice eps hehe.

Marikina 01:39, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back! Hopefully ma-upload mo ang iba pang classic eps. My Marc Brickman copy is a little dark and baka may mga lumusot na mura sa kopya mo LOL.

Character List

Marikina posted this on 8/30/06:
Wala akong magawa kanina kaya naisipan ko gumawa ng List of Characters. Rogues Gallery muna for now bwahahahaha.

Miffster posted this on 8/31/06:

LOL Rouges Gallery or the BITAG Kulukoy Gallery haha marami akong natatandaang targets, among those that you might want to include are:

PO2 Jose Igig - Dupang at Manyakis na Parak

PO3 Bucad, PO2 Kristal and P/Cpt Respes - The Baywalk Trio

Bgy. Chairman Raffy Lorente - Tagapagligtas ng Pekeng Enforcers

Marc Brickman - Cebu Cybersex ringlord

Peter Guevara - Pampanga fake drugs kingpin

Cecilio Grajo and "Lacuesta" - Lolo Rambo and the NFA Guard

Mr. Sy - Ipis Factory proprietor

Renato Repil - Ama ka pa ba o demonyo kang hinayupak ka?

Randy and Romnick Lamuan - Dibdiban na kita mamaya dyan eh

Andami nila hehe

Haha kakatuwa naman yung gallery, my icons pa LOL mas bagay siguro kung yung icon nung foodstuff-related kulukoys eh ipis hehe what do you think?

Marikina 11:08, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay added hehe. Ano nga pala pangalan ng driver ng Bus ni Kamatayan?

Miffster posted this on 9/01/06:

I believe it's Eliezer Nale.

Marikina 10:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay thanks! Updated with Marc Brickman and Chairman Raffy Lorente bwahaha. BTW: Para di ka na mahirapan, type mo lang 4 na ~ para lumabas yung "posted this on" ek-ek. Took me a while to figure that out hehe.

Marikina 14:14, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bwisit naman! Fuzzy ang IBC-13 nung Bitag, sayang Cavite ep pa naman, dami highlights dun. Speaking of which, sinabi ni Ben "new episode" daw dapat tonight at nagbigay siya ng preview kahapon - sexual harassment, cable porn sa hotel room niya, and isang scammer na nakabiktima sa Jollibee at PNB, hindi naman.

Miffster 09:48, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sayang, di ko na-record, but I did upload a short clip of Ben's commentary sa BST. Baka magamit sa Ben Tulfo article hehe

Marikina 07:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ano nangyari sa episode kanina? Di ko napanood e. May mention ba kung bakit replay last Saturday? And nag-post ako ng Youtube section sa Ben Tulfo article so post away ng mga relevant BST clips.

Youtube Pt. 2

Marikina posted this on 8/22/06:

Ni-add ko yung "Tanod (Pekeng Enforcer)" ep sa Youtube. Medyo crappy pero katawa tawa na din. "Balat sibuyas pala itong si chairman" haha

Siyanga pala: Benz is back. Ihulog na sa Bitag!

Miffster posted this on 8/22/06:

Napansin ko medyo mahina yung audio ng video mo (pati yung sa BITAG spot). Yun ba yung problema mo sa recording? Wah gusto ko ma-record yung both versions ng closing words ni Ben sa BITAG! Bat nila tinaggal?! Hehe

Marikina posted this on 8/22/06:

Nah, yung problema ko nawawala na mini-RCA cable at nahanap ko. Mahina sound kasi default audio codec 128 kbps e, hindi ko ma-adjust pati na rin screensize. Anong closing words?
BTW: Post ka pa ng ibang videos hehe. I need my Bitag fix! Nakakatawa yung Road Eye Towing at mga Kotong cases dahil talagang kumukulo dugo ni Ben sa kanila e, hehe. At meron ka ba ep nung Power Saver at yung naka-engkwentro niya yung Barangay captain na hinampas niya sa braso?

Miffster posted this on 8/22/06:

LOL volume level setting lang yun, nothing to do with sampling rate, 128kbps din ang sakin eh. Yung closing words nya eh yung nakaupo sya sa tapat ng computer at nagfa-final words for the show: "You have to beat the man, to be the man!" hehe. Naleche ang cable feed nung bumagyo a few weeks ago, kaya di ko na-record yung Commander scam... "Katas ng Panggagancho" ata title nun. I'm still working out how to put enough juice in less than 10 minutes for the Baywalk segment... dun talaga nag-uminit si Ben eh. I'll try to squeeze a couple more clips by tomorrow hehe.

Marikina posted this on 8/22/06:

Nakahanap na ako ng better tv tuner program. Puwede ako mag-record in different sizes na may wide selection ng codecs and I think may volume level slider. Experiment time hehe!

Miffster posted this on 8/25/06:

There you go, na-up na yung "Kotongan sa Baywalk" clip. I think I managed to include all the good highlights of that operation... medyo napahaba nga eh, just 10 seconds short of Youtube's limit. Ayus naman siguro pagkaka-edit ko, kahit ako natawa sa kinalabasan eh. Nawa's mag-enjoy kayo dyan haha.

Marikina posted this on 8/26/06:

Thank you sir! Kahit medyo nilalagnat-lagnat ako naigawa ko pa mag-record ng episode kanina in high-quality 480x360 size with better audio. Si Ben talaga, kaya magpagaling ng may sakit bwaahahaha! Kahapon pala pinagtanggol ni Ben ang "The Coresspondents" mula sa MTRCB a. Unbiased nga talaga siya. Anyway, marami pa magagandang eps sa listahan mo na worth posting: Cybersex (ang pagwawala ni Mark Brickman!), Condominium (classic Ben Tulfo interrogation), Cebu City (2-in-1 nagwala si Tulfo at pina-amo ng pasaway na chair ng LTFRB), Butangerong Ama, atbp!

Ano ba yung Bakal Boys at Alpha Pi Chupapi, sounds like homo ey? hehehe

Miffster posted this on 8/28/06:

Sure thing, medyo busy lang kasi ako these past few days kaya di ako nakakapag-edit ng clips. Yung Cybersex sa Cebu (the one with Marc Brickman) medyo oks sya dahil daming nakalusot sa censors haha. Personally I prefer the other Cybersex episode, yung pinaglaruan ni Ben yung dildo LOL. I'll try to have Butangerong Ama up and ready later, and probably up a longer version of the Fake Medicines clip as well. By the way, Bakal Boys was the one with a bunch of "rugby boys" stealing steel piping and bars from construction sites and moving vehicles and selling them to junkshops. Chupapi was the one with the reflexology clinic with male prostitutes.

Marikina posted this on 8/28/06:

Hehe, yan din yung episode kung saan kausap ni Ben yung babae na weirdo (later turned out to be on drugs) at yung sinabi ni Ben sa isang live camera "you guys are trapped", right? Astig nga yan. Sa dinami-dami ng cybersex cases nila, mukhang tatalunin na sa dami ang mga hulidap na every week na lang ata meron hehe.

Miffster posted this on 8/28/06:

There you go, Butangerong Ama is now up and linked. Napasobra ata haba, just 4 seconds shy from Youtube's limit. Kaya sana uncut kaso it was in excess of about 3 minutes, kinailangan talagang i-trim yung ibang sections. Fret not, all BITAG goodness still intact hehe.

Marikina posted this on 8/28/06:

Nakakaawa naman yung sumita kay Tulfo, pati siya napag-diskitihan but then again alam naman natin: no one interferes with Tulfo and his prey! Speaking of Mark Brickman, buti hindi inengage ni Tulfo siya sa sagutan - kargado pala ng glock si kulukoy.

PS: Pakilagyan na rin ng screenshots yung iba na bungi hehe (ie. Tupada, Boy Bawang)

Miffster posted this on 8/30/06:

Listen up guys! Haha Kotongan sa Baclaran is up and linked. Sensya na medyo mabagal ang pag-up ko ng clips, busy eh. I'll try to get more uploaded soon. Medyo feeling Number 8: Batugan ako haha

Marikina posted this on 8/10/06:

O ha?! May episode guide na!

Clean-up Notice

Wikiblitz88 posted this on 6/21/10:

Meron nang official website ang Bitag kaka-launched lang nung January. Pwedeng maayos na ang clean-up tag sa article na ito. For your information. Bitag Official Webpage —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiblitz88 (talk • contribs) 01:50, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Marikina posted this on 8/21/06:
Nilagyan ng clean-up notice ang "Host" part. Hmmm... medyo masyado nga ata "hammy" yung write-up. Paki-streamline mo na lang yung "Distinction with Tulfo Brothers", bro.

Siyanga pala, nakita ko na rin yung Road Eye Towing haha. Hopefully mag-post ka ng screen cap na hawak ni Ben yung susi tapos video na kumaripas sila ng takbo na parang nakakakita ng pusa.

Miffster posted this on 08/21/06:

Haha mukhang major editing 'to LOL, medyo naging informal nga yung tone. Sige let's try fixing this, at the same time, mailipat natin sa Ben Tulfo article yung pagtatabasan hehe. Badtrip Sky Cable, napuputol yung feed ng UNTV sa kanila, mas malinaw pa naman yung re-run kanina. At least mas maayos yung Kotongan Sa Baywalk kanina, medyo choppy yung first recording ko eh, lakas kasi ng bagyo nun bleh.

Marikina posted this on 8/21/06:

O ayan, nilinis ko na tapos nilipat ko yung iba sa Ben Tulfo article. Bahala ka na mag-add/edit ng gusto mo hehe. Siguro naman neutral na yan.

Miffster posted this on 08/21/06:

LOL nagkasabay pa tayo ng edit, nag-Edit Conflict pa haha. That was one good way to shrink that section, nice! Sana naman i-consider na nilang formal ang tone nyan. Yung balak ko i-add, sa Ben Tulfo article ko na lang ilalagay, tutal diniscuss ko lang yung difference nya with other hosts.

Ben Tulfo's article

suggestion ko lang... ilipat na lang natin yung "The Host" section nitong article na 'to dun sa article ni Ben Tulfo... wala pa kasing laman yung article nya eh... thanks! -Danngarcia 09:47, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Miffster posted this on 08/19/06:

Hmmm, medyo more focused on the nature of Bitag as a show yung profile ni Ben Tulfo dito, so I think it's more appropriate for this article. We can however, expound his profile for the Ben Tulfo article by citing his background in his original public service channel, which is print media (since Ben Tulfo's regular column for Pilipino Star Ngayon, Bahala si Tulfo, was actually where he started with his public service drive)... but that's just me. What do you guys think?

Marikina posted this on 08/19/06:

Maganda suggestion mo Miffster, pero saan kaya tayo makakakuha ng info tungkol sa non-Bitag background ni Ben? Birthdate niya di pa nga ako sigurado kung tama, nakuha ko lang sa Friendster-esque account niya sa Marikina (coincidence) website hehe.

I'm open sa idea na maglagay ng mga fresh Ben info, pero IMO gawin nating concise yung medyo mahaba at detailed na "Distinction with Tulfo Brothers" part tapos ilipat sa Ben article. Yung evergrowing na "Ben-agrams", sama kaya natin?

Miffster posted this on 08/19/06:

Yep, I guess we can do that, although I think na hindi naman natin siguro kelangan ng very detailed info like his birthday or anything... I was thinking more of like yung story behind his transition from print media to radio and to TV, dahil from the Bahala Si Tulfo column, nag-evolve sya to the BST program on radio station DZME 1530, and ultimately, to UNTV37's Bahala Si Tulfo. Can we consider emailing Ben himself for some help? Haha masyado lang ata ako nagpapapanood ng BITAG LOL

Marikina posted this on 08/20/06:

Lead the way LOL, mag-dadagdag na lang ako hehe. Hindi ako aware sa non-Bitag career niya e.

Youtube Clips

Miffster posted this on 8/17/06:

Ayan, "Ifugao" is now up on Youtube, and linked to the episode guide. Hehe it's very nice to know that there are some people who appreciate BST and BITAG like I do. Kakatuwa kasi talaga approach nya, very effective but never fails to solicit a good laugh from me and my friends.

Marikina posted this on 8/17/06:

ahaha oh man. Laugh trip talaga yung Ifugao ep, at ang gaganda ng quality. Hopefully mag-post ka pa ng iba, marami pang nakakatawa tulad nung double dead chicken vendor na pinagtawanan si Tulfo tapos everytime na babanat siya ng "malinamnam na fish crackers". Sana marami pa manood pagkatapos makita ang clips. Basta mapagana ko yung sound magpo-post din ako hehe.

Miffster posted this on 8/17/06:

LOL I'm glad you enjoyed it. Madami tayo ditong full episodes and segments, bawal lang kasi sa Youtube mag-post ng TV shows eh. Anyway, I have uploaded a snippet of Syria... you might want to check it out, maybe it'll jog your memory of this hilarious segment haha. As for your recording problem, have you tried splicing a couple of mini-RCA headphone plugs?

The Voice of Reason posted this on 8/17/06:

I have been following this entry for a month now and it's good to see fellow Bitag fanatics updating this page religiously. My hats off to the two of you...and the others. I would try and help as much as I can outside the use of capturing cards; I inquired at the Cebu forums about what they think of the ordinance just for curiosity's sake. As for the YouTube dillema, copyrighted material is indeed prohibited but no one really follows it and they only crack down on high-profile shows like 24 and Conan.

Marikina posted this on 8/17/06:

Nah, I'm missing the external line input cable that you attach from the TV tuner to the sound card. Any idea where I could get one?

Miffster posted this on 8/18/06:

If it's an external connector (and you're using an old TV tuner card), I believe it's probably a mini-RCA cable (with both ends terminating to a stereo headphone RCA plug). You can get those at Ace or Handyman, otherwise, just splice two mini-RCA headphone plugs so you get a cable with plugs at both ends. I used to connect the TV tuner's audio output to the soundcard's line input using this method years ago. As for Youtube, I really don't want to get into any trouble (my friend got warned a few days ago for posting a recording of their gig which accidentally captured a monitor showing a Japanese PV in the background LOL) so for now, we'll just have to settle for teeny-weeny AV snippets haha.

Miffster posted this on 8/18/06: "Manok (Patay na Kinatay)" clip is already up and linked. Boy Bato is just a moron, 'nuff said. "Tigas talaga ng ulo nitong kulukoy na to..."

Marikina posted this on 8/19/06:

What a dick. Boy Bato is definitely worthy of inclusion in Ben's formidable rogue's gallery. Looking forward to more highlight clips. I'll check out the mini-RCA cables, thanks. I've also figured out how to get better screencaps; turns out I was using PCTV's horrible propietary software. I couldn't do much with regards to UNTV's hopeless channel 99 reception, but it's at least average.

The Voice of Reason posted this on 8/17/06:

Yes, highlight clips are precisely what I had in mind :) Thank you sir! Shotgun ni Lolo clip plz LOL

Miffster posted this on 8/19/06:

There you go, Fake Medicines, Shotgun ni Lolo and Ipis Fish Crackers upped and linked for the viewing pleasure of fellow BITAG fanatics haha. Edited Shotgun and Ipis as much as I could to include them funny highlights, although I think they are still too long (more than 5 minutes each). Damn that Ipis Crackers segment is just classic BITAG, probably the funniest in my book. "Ah pinainom kayo ng Pepsi? Baka may gayuma yun?" LOL

By the way guys, I replaced the Taho snippet with a much more "substantial" one. This one is about 4 minutes long, and has more highlights, including his famous foodstuff disclaimer. You can't miss that hilarious negotiation scene between Ben and the proprietor's husband... "Antataba ng mga ipis, para kayong may rancho ng mga ipis dun... ang hirap magsinungaling sa harap ng camera!"

Updated on 08/20/06:

"Bus ni Kamatayan" is now up on Youtube, linked na din sya sa episode guide. The segment itself is just a bit over 4 minutes long, so I took the liberty to upload the segment in its entirety for your enjoyment. Ayus!

Marikina posted this on 8/20/06:

Now that I've seen it again, the Taho extended edition was even funnier than I remembered. I can't stop laughing when he said the roosters were crowing because they had no idea if it was night or day and when he threw a stone at one for no apparent reason bwahaha. Keep the clips coming! I will be able to join the party now that I can get better caps and sound although I have to figure out how to get a bigger resolution than 352x240. I added a Youtube column since it's impossible for us to track down episode numbers and readers have a hard time seeing which write-up has an uploaded video.

Miffster posted this on 8/20/06:

Great job with the episode guide layout. Mas nakaka-engganyong mag-contribute pag masisipag din ang mga kasama mo haha... di naman kaya masyado na tayong BITAG-preoccupied? LOL by the way, I use a 352x240 preset for recording (I used to record at high-res kaso sobra laki ng filesize kasi alang codec settings sa tuner app ko), then just capture images and blow them up a bit to about 150% in a photo editor. Nakakatulong din yung exposure adjustment for clearer-looking caps. I'll try to get as much clips and caps up as I can tonight para ayus. BST na naman tomorrow morning so I cleaned up a few gigs for my PVR. Hulog sa BITAG!

Comments

Marikina posted this on 7/31/06: Better rat-head photo (thanks Danngarcia), although I have no idea why mine wasn't working. UNTV replayed the "shotgun incident" earlier. Didn't have the time to record it. Drat.

Miffster posted this on 8/15/06:
I have been recording Bahala Si Tulfo on UNTV37 and BITAG Extreme since last June. I'll be more than happy to provide actual hi-res screenshots or episodes (encoded in MPEG4) if you guys need or just want them. I'm really surprised that there was actually a BITAG entry here at Wiki... thank you guys for regularly updating it.

Marikina posted this on 8/15/06:

Yes, thank you! Feel free to update/add screenshots (especially "Lolo Shotgun") in the Bitag episode guide as I only started recording shows two weeks ago with my lame channel 99 reception. Maybe we could also upload an .ogg snippet of him berating someone haha.

Miffster posted this on 8/15/06:

I'm regularly making AVI snippets of BST segments for a few of my friends. Currently I have snipped the following segments: Syria, Ifugao, Taho and today's BST commentary. I'll try to re-encode the clips to further reduce the filesizes LOL. I have updated "Shotgun Ni Lolo" and "Ifugao" screens as requested. By the way, care to trade BST and BITAG episodes? hehe

Marikina posted this on 8/15/06:

Heh. I delete the eps after I record it and take screengrabs, I'm conserving hard disk space. It doesn't have sound anyway, the black wire you connect to the audio ports of the soundcard and TV tuner is missing, hehe. I'm thinking of uploading certain clips at Youtube in the future before deleting them, maybe you should too. BTW: what other eps do you have? I'm going to add them on the episode guide. Can't say I remember "Syria" though.

Miffster posted this on 8/15/06:

Ow, too bad. I've been missing BITAG for a few weeks now... Anyway, I have about 9GB worth of BST and BITAG recordings, mostly BST re-runs:

Bahala Si Tulfo (UNTV37)

Pirata (Fake VCDs), Kilos Pronto (Balintawak Pulis Patola), Impostor 2, Lasenggong Enforcer, OMB "Pirata", Off The Record (For The Record), Motorsiklo (Huli-dap), Motorsiklo (Huli-dap Update), Wanted (Pinatay Dahil Sa Kambing), Lihim Ng Hermosa Commentary, Tanod/Lihim Ng Hermosa Commentary, Duhat (Batang Binaril), Bulilyaso (Kidnap-For-Ransom), Endangered Species, Kilos Pronto (McDonalds Recruiter), Bus Ni Kamatayan, Road Eye Towing, Taho, Kilos Pronto: Butangerong Ama, Lihim Ng Hermosa II (Barangay Halay), Condominium, Tanod (Pekeng Enforcer), Fried Chicken, Reflexology (Alpha Phi Chupapi), Pasaway (Kompanyang Lason Sa Pasig), Laguna Lake, Total Wreck, Kotongan Sa Baclaran, Kalampag Boys (Kotongero Ng Novaliches), Bulag, Kilos Pronto (Zamboanga Rapist), Red Plate, Death Certificate, Akto (Antipolo Police Station), Manok (Patay Na Kinatay), Cybersex, Shotgun Ni Lolo, Kotongan Sa Baywalk, Basang Sisiw (Ipit Gang), Kilos Pronto: Privilege Card, Syria, Syria Update, Bakal Boys, MMDA (Tulisan Ng Bangketa), Ipis (Fish Cracker), Textmate "Studmate", Ifugao, Tupada, Traffic Enforcer "Kotong", Sipa, Aowa (Update), Cellphone, Casa, Emy, Fake Medicines, Mapaminsalang Hipon, Cebu City (Kontrobersyal Na Ordinansa) and Commentary

BITAG Extreme (IBC13)

Hulidap Story (Mga Dupang Na Parak), Cybersex Sa Cebu Part 2, Dupang Na Recruiter, De Lata (Sardinas), Lihim Ng Hermosa (Barangay Halay), Batang Juice, De Lata (Sardinas) Replay Request, Barangay Halay (Update), Impostor (BITAG Kuno)

Also, "Syria" is the one when Ben tries to repatriate a couple of "illegally recruited" women from Syria allegedly being abused and held against their will, and in the process of investigation, uncovers a scam between the management of different branches of the recruitment agency "Skyline" which is allegedly owned by one of Senator Bong Revilla's staff.

Marikina posted this on 8/16/06:

I posted the rest of my episode-related posts at the other article. Thanks for reminding me of the hilarious "uy ipis!" scene! I would love to watch that again (as well as other funny highlights) in Youtube. But is there a better screenshot? You can barely see anything there. How about the (sic) wall of stacked roaches? Also, you might want to specify that the "dupang na recruiter" pic is a TV screenshot or it might get deleted.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bahala si BITAG...

I want to suggest for a seperate article for BAHALA SI BITAG, the commentary-interactive show also hosted by Ben Tulfo, shown on UnTV 37, since the programme is a spin-off of the main programme "Bitag".

I think "Mr. Bitag" had always pointed out the difference between the 2 programmes on BSB programme.

122.3.25.26 (talk) 10:35, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Request for Deletion

Good day.

On behalf of my close colleague, I am requesting for a page deletion.

The reason why is because of the information placed within this article. Along with several articles related to Bitag, they are inaccurate and outdated. The info-boxes on the right display self-serving information in which I find it unacceptable.

Ben Tulfo was never a Producer and Carlo Carongoy and some editors are no longer a part of my colleague's company.

I hope you understand. This has to be done in order to avoid confusion and opposition towards his media history.

Kind regards,

OccultaCogitat (talk) 22:45, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]