Talk:Bistra, Maramureș

I suspect that the historic village of Trebuza was somewhere in this area, but I can't find any definite proof. Have mörser, will travel (talk) 11:46, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Can you be more specific ? What kind of a historical village? Maybe I can help. Adrian (talk) 12:46, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Treaty of Bucharest (1916). Have mörser, will travel (talk) 13:34, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I can`t find any info about this. But I guess it should be in the Satu Mare County since it is closer to the Vásárosnamény. I don`t know. Adrian (talk) 07:10, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

It's pretty far from Vásárosnamény if you look on the NYT map in that article; the reason I thought it's somewhere around this commune is the passage "until it reaches the Theiss at the village of Trebuza up-stream from the spot where it unites with the Viso." Viso is Vișeu River based on [1] (click on the "2" tab, they use some annoying AJAX), and this commune is listed as the last one that Vișeu River passes through. Trebuza sounds rather Italian, but it does not appear to be any typo in it as it appears identically in the English, French and Romanian versions of the 1916 treaty. Have mörser, will travel (talk) 18:16, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Looking zoomed in at the Google Maps satelite photo, there are some houses bunched at the point where Viseu River joins the Tizsa. [2] But the place has no name on Google. Have mörser, will travel (talk) 18:43, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Another potential problem

Are the coordinates in this article correct? On Google Maps Viseu River does not pass through this Bistra; in fact no river passes trough it. Bistra on some road. There is another "Bistra" to the east of it though which that river passes Bistra on Viseu. Have mörser, will travel (talk) 18:39, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Viseu passes through the Bistra described in the article. The coordinates are wrong.Anonimu (talk) 19:24, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

I assume you mean they are wrong in the wiki article. Have mörser, will travel (talk) 19:44, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Mystery solved

[3] Trebuza is the Czech name for Valea Vişeului; see entry 24 on page 640. Actually the full Czech name was "Trebuza Bily Potok", whatever that means. Have mörser, will travel (talk) 18:54, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

The page describes settlements on opposite side of borders... in this case "Trebuza" is Dilove, in Ukraine, known around the turn of the century as "Trebusa" (the s may have been an š).Anonimu (talk) 19:24, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

You are right about the "s": "Trebusa Bily Potok" is something with more Google hits. And the Ukrainian Wikipedia (which I should have checked) has the right names already Ділове́ (рос. Дeлове, угор. Terebesfejérpatak, словац. Tribušany Biely Potok, рум. Tribusa Alba). Thank you! Have mörser, will travel (talk) 19:52, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Or maybe not quite that. What that 1926 Slovenian source is listing are pairs of border stations in Europe. So it's possible that Trebuza may refer to the village across the border that is now in Ukraine, but which in 1926 was in Czechoslovakia as Romania had a border with Czechoslovakia then! [4] There is an unnamed Ukrainian village across the Tisza opposite to Valea Vişeului in Google Maps nowadays. Have mörser, will travel (talk) 19:13, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

The closest Ukrainian would be Rakhiv (Dilove) today. Have mörser, will travel (talk) 19:24, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

I was reading the passage in the treaty wrong. What it says is that Trebuza is on the Tisza above the point where the Tisza meets the Viseu River. So, it's certainly one of the few villages on that short span of the Tisza that is in Ukraine today. But it's still uncertain which one; none of the Ukrainian names used today bare any resemblance to Trebuza... Have mörser, will travel (talk) 19:41, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

D'oh. I didn't realize someone replied above. Have mörser, will travel (talk) 19:53, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Steag?

By the way, might Steag (1655m) be Stogul (1651m) from this map? Have mörser, will travel (talk) 18:21, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

The mountain is definitely Stog (Stogul with the Romanian definite article). Steag is probably a case of folk etymology ("steag" means flag in Romania, while "stog" means haystack in Romanian and all neighbouring Slavic language. A city dweller may be unfamiliar with the second term).Anonimu (talk) 19:24, 7 October 2011 (UTC)