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Date of broadcast of "Holy Ground" (Series 9, Episode 12)

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The BBC Programme Database shows this episode as having been originally broadcast on 24 December 1998, which I would suggest is fairly definitive. --Barry Salter 19:56, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re-run

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TV shows are constantly re-run on various stations at various times, one could not list, nor comment on them all. So as this sectional is hardly encyclopedic, on 12.12.2010 I will remove it, giving people a week to have their say. PURNS (05.12.2010) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.216.131 (talk) 07:21, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Credits

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I was under the impression that the photos and movies in the credit sequences were actually Robson and Quirke as they really were childhood friends and grew up together. Can anyone confirm this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.81.28.204 (talk) 16:40, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know when they met. The photos could have been taken separately and merged. Jim Michael (talk) 19:33, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Theme

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Not comfortable with making such change as I'm just now watching the earlier seasons, but the opening and ending theme sections of the infobox seem to incorrectly or inadequately address the evolution of the theme. As noted in this section of the article, the title and end credits have seen a lot of changes. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to simply name the theme as "What'll I Do?" (without stating opening or ending) and let the article body provide detail? 73.252.40.55 (talk) 08:31, 15 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 April 2021

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Consensus to move Birds of a Feather to Birds of a Feather (TV series) and Birds of a Feather (disambiguation) to Birds of a Feather (title-case dab since all entries are titles of some kind). I will postpone the latter move after the incoming links have been fixed by kind WP:AWBREQ editors; if anyone beats me to it, be welcome. No such user (talk) 10:06, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]


– This sitcom is not the primary topic. Either the primary topic is the idiom "birds of a feather", or else there isn't one. Herostratus (talk) 02:48, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

N.B. We don't have an article on the idiom so the next best landing place is the disambiguation for the phrase, which (after a bit of tweaking should have) a one-sentence explaino of the idiom on top and points to the more complete Wiktionary entry and then lists the other uses. There are about 10 entries (not including TV episodes etc) -- three films, couple albums, couple songs, none super notable I don't think. But still, ten. Herostratus (talk) 03:10, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. The TV sitcom is the primary topic by usage [1]. I have created the article Birds of a feather flock together as a soft redirect to wiktionary, rather than use the inline wiktionary link on the disambiguation page (which is a bit misleading because it looks like a wikilink but isn't). Furthermore, the disambiguation page should be at a capitalised title because most of the entries there are capitalised. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:43, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As to the capitalization, it depends on if the idiom is the primary topic (in which case a lowercase title is right) or if there is no primary topic (in which case the proper-name version is maybe right). It's arguable, but I think it's the former. Herostratus (talk) 21:30, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
1) Well of course pageviews are going to be high. We're dumping people wanting to understand the idiom into this page. I was shocked to get here and I expect most people are. Very very few people looking up the idiom are going to go directly to Birds of a Feather (disambiguation) I think.
2) Outside Britain, the TV sitcom is vanishingly obscure I suppose, unlike the idiom. Britain comprises less than 25% of the Anglosphere, and that's not including the Subcontinent and other ESL readers. A great preponderance of the other 75%+ surely want the idiom when searching on the term. (This google Ngram indicates that the uncapitalized version of the phrase well exceeds the proper name "Birds of a Feather" and always has, and with no relative surge beginning when the TV show did. (Granted, this is just books and not magazines and websites, but still.)) And I mean, I've used the idiom at least a few times in my life, and so have you and so have most of us. It's just self-evidently still highly current and widely used.
3) Both academic "serious" value and likely long-term significance are factors to consider, I think. The idiom goes far back (Turner in 1545 has "Byrdes of on kynde and color flok and flye allwayes together." Trollope and Swift use it, and there are close approximations by Joyce ("...laugh together...") and Tolstoy ("...fight together..."), starting with the same four words and thus fairly likely to be found by a searcher. "Birds resort unto their like" is from Ben Sira 2,000 years ago in apocryphal Ecclesiasticus 27:10. And of course if it matters (might not, I dunno), the idiom is the source of the TV show's name and all other uses.
Benjamin Jowett's 1856 translation Plato's 375 BC Republic has ""Men of my age flock together; we are birds of a feather, as the old proverb says". (Granted, this is a liberty taken by Jowlett; the actual Greek original has nothing about birds specifically and neither does the "old proverb" mentioned. But still, Jowett's translation has been notable since 1856. This 2002 paper from a college (granted, a D-list college, but still) still uses Jowlett's for its analysis, for instance.
Long term...the idiom is also likely to be current 20 years from now (and probably much longer) when the sitcom has faded quite a bit, and that matters a good bit.
4) And if you think that there's no primary topic (possible) then the move should be accepted so that what is now the disambig page should be the primary target.
It's not a vote, I call upon the closer to consider relative strength of argument. Herostratus (talk) 21:30, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Right, fine, as OP I changed it. It's deep in the discussion but shouldn't affect any previous commentor's remarks. Herostratus (talk) 09:55, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Both moves now completed, after AWB action by User:Novem Linguae. No such user (talk) 13:12, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Birds of a feather

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Hi...no concerns, Just always wondered- The pics of Sharon and Tracey , growing up over the years... Is it Really them, and have they been friends since childhood? Kindest Regards, J. Sheen 82.132.234.12 (talk) 08:31, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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