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Requested move 29 April 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 21:02, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BioNumerics → BIONUMERICS – The official name of the software was changed and is now written in capital letters. PraetJ (talk) 15:22, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Is this actually needed, given WP:MOSTM and WP:NCCAPS? It's not an acronym. -Kj cheetham (talk) 15:34, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@PraetJ and Kj cheetham: queried move request. -2pou (talk) 16:12, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). 2pou (talk) 16:11, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kj cheetham: From version 8 onwards the official name of the software was changed from "BioNumerics" to "BIONUMERICS". It is indeed not an acronym but from version 8 onwards the official name is written in capital letters. The wikipedia page was also updated recently with the correct information on the software and the correct writing of the name. PraetJ (talk) 06:06, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as a change of official name doesn't mean a change to article title is needed. -Kj cheetham (talk) 08:15, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per MOS:TM even the logo before "get a free trial" doesn't use all caps. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:53, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Crouch, Swale: It is true that the Applied Maths website still mentions both BioNumerics and BIONUMERICS but this will be updated soon. PraetJ (talk) 06:06, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See MOS:TM is/will this also done by independent sources. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:21, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: This proposed move has no chance of succeeding and should be speedy closed. Lots of companies try to promote their brands using WP:ALLCAPS. Wikipedia shouldn't assist in that. See also MOS:TM and WP:TITLETM. I would close it myself but it might be better to wait until there are three or four similar expressions of opinion to show that there is no hope for this suggestion. — BarrelProof (talk) 04:48, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@BarrelProof: From version 8 onwards the official name of the software was changed from "BioNumerics" to "BIONUMERICS". It is true that the Applied Maths website mentions both BioNumerics and BIONUMERICS but this will be updated soon. The request to change the title of the wikipedia page is therefore not a way to promote the brand but to update it to the official name of the software. PraetJ (talk) 06:06, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The official name doesn't matter much here, especially when the difference is only capitalization. I suggest to tell them it looks like Wikipedia isn't going to do it. Please go read what the guidelines that have been referenced in this discussion say. — BarrelProof (talk) 06:08, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as per Kj cheetham and BarrelProof MOS links above. Add a 'styled as...' note to the opening sentence if needed. Amkilpatrick (talk) 08:21, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All-caps is such a common promotional artifice that I think it shouldn't even be mentioned. See, for example, the logos in the articles about Time (magazine), Motorola, Broadcom, Old Navy, Calvin Klein (fashion house), Chanel, and Armani. — BarrelProof (talk) 09:40, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well yes we seem to have been inconsistent on mentioning this since Facebook notes its stylized as "facebook" even though in running text Facebook its self appears to not use this. I'd consider saying that we only need to mention stylism if the trademark owner almost always uses it in running text rather that just the logo since even Wikipedia uses all caps in out logo. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:53, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment A redirect from BIONUMERICS to BioNumerics might have some benefit? -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:02, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Sure, there would be no harm in that, although BROADCOM, OLD NAVY, CALVIN KLEIN, and ARMANI (and GIORGIO ARMANI) are all red links and nobody seems to care. — BarrelProof (talk) 15:18, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Good point. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:20, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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