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Archive 1

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (the page was created by user ArriehM, not by blocked user/sock-puppet Philippinesfan. Also, the page was edited/improved substantially by ArriehM and yours truly since its creation, with reliable citations added. Since then the mentioned sock-puppet has not added significant contributions to this page that may compromise its legitimacy. Please reconsider this.) --SenyorOtter (talk) 12:07, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because... The page was not created by Philippinesfan. It was created by me. Waykurat nominates it for deletion because it was created by sock puppet account which is Philippinesfan. Please fix this issue. --ArriehM (talk) 11:57, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

You should investigate it first before you nominates it Username:WayKurat. ArriehM (talk) 12:08, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Waykurat’s claim is evidently unsubstantiated. ArriehM is the page creator. Please fix this. SenyorOtter (talk) 12:09, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Spotify list

@AstrooKai. need to clarify. Didn't they previously top the list on April 18, making the first Filipino distinction proper on that date and not June? Borgenland (talk) 08:13, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Borgenland. Yes, they previously topped a list on April 18, but that was for Spotify's Daily Top Songs Philippines chart. The recent event of them topping in a Spotify chart was for the Daily Top Artists Philippines chart, where they surpassed Taylor Swift on June 14. AstrooKai. (talk) 08:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Point taken. Thanks for the clarification. Borgenland (talk) 08:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Happy to help. AstrooKai. (talk) 09:13, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Other ventures expansion

Hi, I'm AstrooKai. I have expanded the "Endorsements" subsection to provide more details about each of Bini's endorsements, see this for the differences between the previous and the expanded version. Here's a summary table of the expansion:

Expanded Excluded
Maybelline Coca-Cola
Modess Keds
Super Crunch Globe Telecom
Samsung Pond's
Puregold Bioderm
Shopee
Jollibee

Five were excluded, as there was not enough available information available from reliable sources. The Coca-Cola event was excluded as it doesn't fall under "endorsement," rather it falls under the category of collaboration. As a result, a new subsection called "Collaborations" was introduced to accommodate these events. Should the notability of these collaborations be not enough for their inclusivity in the article, its removal can be discussed here.

The expansion may contain some errors, so feel free to fix them. If there are any concerns regarding the expansion, feel free to drop them here. Thank you. AstrooKai (talk) 14:11, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 17 June 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 17:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Bini (group) → BINI (group) – Borgenland (talk) 15:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Polyamorph (talk) 17:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC) Every RS is referring to them in uppercase. Borgenland (talk) 15:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I'd like to clarify then, does trademark take precedence over usage in RS and secondary sources (at least in this case)? Borgenland (talk) 02:10, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
I'm unfortunately not sure about that one. The general rules of MOS:TRADEMARK says that standard English text formatting and capitalization must be followed, regardless of the formatting commonly used by trademark owners. Although, there are some exceptions where the trademark is stylized the same way as from reliable sources.

Exceptions may apply, but Wikipedia relies on sources to determine when an unusual name format has become conventional for a particular trademark; only names that are consistently styled a particular way by a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are styled that way in Wikipedia.

— MOS:TRADEMARK
Perhaps, this exception clause can be placed into consideration. AstrooKai (talk) 07:04, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
For reference, I did run through every major newspaper and the big 3 television networks in the country, plus Rappler, after which I felt a move could be justified. Borgenland (talk) 08:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
That may be a good point. However, in the examples I mentioned, they are also often referred to with their group name in all caps in many sources, yet they are not stylized in that manner here on Wikipedia. AstrooKai (talk) 18:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
MOS:TRADEMARK itself makes it clear that [W]hen deciding how to format a trademark, editors should examine styles already in use by independent reliable sources. "BINI" being common usage in reliable sources (excluding ABS-CBN, as they are not independent from the subject) means it should be the article title in use here per policy. We follow what sources say — if they also don't capitalize, we're in the right; if they don't, we're in the wrong. Taking a cursory look at how reliable sources call the band, the capitalized version is in most common use; we should move the page as a matter of policy. Chlod (say hi!) 10:32, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
As several have pointed out above, "most common" is not the criterion for style choices, and never has been. Dicklyon (talk) 19:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Relisting to allow more time for consensus to develop Polyamorph (talk) 17:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Chronological fix

Inviting editors engaged in this subject to find ways on how to make the history section less of a WP:NEWSPAPER, especially since the formula tends to be repetitive announcements of an upcoming event followed by the actual event, which is kind of confusing especially if an unrelated event happens in between like the announcement of the Biniverse concert date in April followed by their packed schedule before the actual concert. Borgenland (talk) 16:04, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Does this apply to the entire history timeline? Or specific timespans only? AstrooKai (talk) 05:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
So far it sticks out in 2024 and in the debut. Tho I made some reductions in debut a few weeks before. Borgenland (talk) 07:28, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Okay, I'll see what I can do. AstrooKai │ Talk 07:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
I have revised the 2023–present subsection for readability and narrative flow. It is also an attempt to address this issue. If you notice any other copyedit issues that I have overlooked or unnoticed, feel free to fix them. AstrooKai │ Talk 12:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Currently making minor edits. I am now exploring the possibility of splitting the Biniverse concert into a separate chapter to segregate the in-betweens (Chinese TV, Independence Day and Bini Run). Borgenland (talk) 15:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Made the fix just now. My suggestion for now is that references referring to upcoming events be replaced or merged once these performances/events have taken place to avoid overcite. Borgenland (talk) 15:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Okay, but would it be more appropriate to place the 2024—Solo concerts as a sub-subsection of the 2023–present subsection? Logically, the newly added section still falls within the 2023–present timeframe. AstrooKai │ Talk 15:48, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Fair enough. Suggest removing the 2024 part to avoid confusion in editing. As for the title should it be formally called the Biniverse for the sake of precision? Borgenland (talk) 16:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Biniverse regional leg

Hello! It has come to my mind about the regional leg of the Biniverse: The First Solo Concert. Since the NFT concert is listed under the headlining concerts, would it be also appropriate to have the regional leg listed under it? Or possibly other subsection (e.g. concert tours)? AstrooKai │ Talk 14:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

It is indeed a headline event. An explanatory note can do. Borgenland (talk) 14:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Would it be more appropriate to list them as individual items in the table? Since it would be too lengthy to be an explanatory note since the events will be held on different place at different times. AstrooKai │ Talk 15:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
suggest putting them in the list then place a footnote next to the reference. Borgenland (talk) 15:41, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
And how would the concert tour will be called? AstrooKai │ Talk 15:43, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Suggest putting a (regional leg) at the end of the event title. Borgenland (talk) 15:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
And (international) for the overseas ones, all under Biniverse. Borgenland (talk) 15:48, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Something like this? "Biniverse: The First Solo Concert (Regional)" "Biniverse: The First Solo Concert (International)" AstrooKai │ Talk 15:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
+leg/tour). Borgenland (talk) 15:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello! I uploaded the logo of bini in Wikimedia commons, the date of publication i was based on their registered date trademark in World Intellectual Property Organization or Intellectual Property Office of the Philippines (IPO) and the name of applicant.

If you want to add the logo in this article, the file is in the category of bini in wikimedia. Royiswariii (talk) 01:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Italicization of Star Hunt Academy

Hello! I've noticed that the name "Star Hunt Academy" is italicized in this section's heading, but not within the rest of the article. Should the name be consistently italicized throughout?

I wanted to ask because I'm not entirely sure whether it qualifies for italicization under Wikipedia's guidelines. Could anyone clarify if "Star Hunt Academy" should be treated as a title of a major work, which would typically warrant italicization? AstrooKai │ Talk 12:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

What I’m confused about is whether the TV program was called SHA or just SH? Borgenland (talk) 16:22, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Okay, so I just watched some of the episodes online and here's what I learned.
Star Hunt is the designation for ABS-CBN's nationwide auditions program, aiming to search and develop new talents for various entertainment fields (acting, singing, dancing, etc.). Star Hunt Academy is the branch of this program, dedicated to vocal and dance training, to form idol groups, which is now known as BINI and BGYO.
So it seems then that "Star Hunt Academy" is also the name of the show. Though it wasn't aired on any television channels, only on Star Hunt's YouTube channel. While this was the case, I guess it can still be considered a show which warrants italicization per Manual of Style. AstrooKai │ Talk 17:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
I remember seeing snippets of the show in the afternoons as a bus commuter though. I think it was around 4 or 5 PM on ABS-CBN and was coupled with brief updates from PBB. Borgenland (talk) 00:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
I see. Anyway, do you think these constitutes for the name to be italicized consistently throughout the article? AstrooKai │ Talk 05:22, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Yes. And better to use the acronym for succeeding mentions to save space. Borgenland (talk) 12:49, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Alright, will do it now. Thank you. AstrooKai │ Talk 12:54, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Also, does the acronymn gets italicized too? AstrooKai │ Talk 12:55, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
As far as I'm concerned yes. Borgenland (talk) 12:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Published the edit. I left some of its mentions in full form as I see them fit in the context of the paragraph, feel free to change this if otherwise. AstrooKai │ Talk 13:07, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Rexona

Need independent refs for the recent Rexona ad. Borgenland (talk) Borgenland (talk) 14:15, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, @Borgenland! I noticed you have posted this same request on Talk:Bini discography and Talk:Bini videography, but I will reply here since responding on both talk pages would be excessive. To answer your request, there are currently no available independent reliable sources since the advertisement is too recent to get media coverage.
It is unlikely that other news outlets besides ABS-CBN News will cover the advertisement since it does not appear notable. Since it is only a promotion for a cosmetic brand. AstrooKai │ Talk 14:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
No worries, I'm still remembering the previous notes on the members. Borgenland (talk) 14:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

References about Bini's fandom name

The references in the article's Fandom section must be replaced with new references (preferably those published by news agencies) as they are primary sources and user-generated content. The source, particularly the Facebook live stream, cannot be archived properly since Facebook's robots.txt generally prohibits bot crawlers from accessing the website and the fact that the stream is one hour long (evident in existing archives of the URL where the page is not properly archived), causing the likelihood for it to become deprecated in the future. AstrooKai │ Talk 08:48, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Also suggest moving it further down the article on grounds of WP:DUE. Borgenland (talk) 10:12, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Just added a GMA ref. The section may need to be pruned tho to remove unsupported content. Borgenland (talk) 10:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
There is no need for the section to be trimmed as the reference states almost the exact same content of the section. I will just do a minor trim and copyedit on it and remove the UGC references. AstrooKai │ Talk 10:48, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Bini Official Greetings

Hello! I’m planning to add official greetings of bini in this article, is it okay to add that? Royiswariii (talk) 02:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Can you explain what kind of official greetings or content it would be? AstrooKai │ Talk 02:55, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
I do some little research and they always greet "2. 3! Mabuhay! We are, BINI!" and they mentioned their greetings in KCON LA 2024 after they performed Cherry on Top. Royiswariii (talk) 11:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Please read about WP:NOTEVERYTHING and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 12:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Suggestion of moving concerts section

Since the recent change, the concerts section has grown considerably. Would it be worth moving it to a new article dedicated to the group's live performances? AstrooKai │ Talk 17:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

For perspective, both SB19 and BGYO have dedicated live performances articles. Borgenland (talk) 17:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
This section is too much WP:FANCRUFT. I suggest to only retain the headlining and joint concerts subsection while the rest should be a prose at the history section. Please do note WP:OTHERCONTENT. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 04:51, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
If no one opposes, I will removed it myself in a couple of days. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 12:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
I wanted to know what other interested editors thought about the suggestion of moving the section's content to a stand-alone list for the group's live performances and appearances as it seems to be too long for it to be included in the main article, similar to the SB19's FL page, List of SB19 live performances. Although, I am not sure if the creation of the list would be considered WP:LISTCRUFT or trigger other policies, since I am still not familiar with the other policies. I would appreciate any feedback or guidance on this. AstrooKai │ Talk 12:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Support the list. Borgenland (talk) 13:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
I also support to have it a stand-alone list. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 14:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
I have created the list, see it at List of Bini live performances. The dates of the references were converted automatically from other formats to mdy, there may be some errors on them so feel free to fix them. Also, feel free to hunt down for errors I have overlooked in the article and fix them. I guess the Bini (group)#Concerts section can be now trimmed down as a result of this split. If you have any questions or opinion about the list, please let me know. Thanks! AstrooKai │ Talk 16:21, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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