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A fact from Big Time Wrestling (Boston) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 19 July 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Big Time Wrestling featured a wrestling bear that escaped and was subdued after a police hunt by putting sugar in its mouth?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2021/July. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Big Time Wrestling (Boston).

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 02:19, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Big Time Wrestling was one the first "outlaw" wrestling promotions according to Jim Cornette?^[1]
- ALT1:... that influenced by booker Jack Pfefer, Big Time Wrestling was notorious for using parody "soundalike" wrestlers of the National Wrestling Alliance and World Wide Wrestling Federation?^[2]
- ALT2:... that Bearcat Wright won Big Time Wrestling's heavyweight championship from Killer Kowalski in 1961, becoming one of the first African-Americans to win a major singles title during the Territory era?^[3]
- ALT3:... that Big Time Wrestling had a promotional war with the World Wide Wrestling Federation over the New England wrestling territory during the 1960s?^[4]
- ALT4:... that Big Time Wrestling opened one of the first wrestling schools in the country which produced Les Thatcher and Rufus R. Jones among others?^[5]
- ALT5:... that Big Time Wrestling was considered a "safe" territory for GLB wrestlers and Ron Dupree was able to live openly with his partner?^[6]
- ALT6:... that Big Time Wrestling featured a wrestling bear called "Black Ozzie" which later escaped shortly after being sold and they joined in a police search and was able to subdue the bear by putting sugar in its mouth?^[7]
  - ALT6a:... that Big Time Wrestling featured a wrestling bear that escaped and was subdued after a police hunt by putting sugar in its mouth?^[7]
  - ALT6b:... that Big Time Wrestling featured "Black Ozzie", a wrestling bear who escaped after being sold, leading to the police subduing it by putting sugar in its mouth?^[7]
- ALT7:... that one of Big Time Wrestling's first major attractions was a series of wrestling bouts between Black Ozzie and BTW Women's Champion Alma Mills?^[8]
- ALT8:... that John F. Kennedy, then a Massachusetts Senator, and his wife Jackie attended Big Time Wrestling's shows in West Yarmouth, Massachusetts?^[9]
- ALT9:... that while napping in the locker room, Jack Pfefer was once thrown out of the Boston Arena by a rookie wrestler who mistook him for a homeless man who had wandered in off the street?^[5]
- ALT10:... that Frankie Scarpa, then a longtime regional star, competed with the up-and-coming Bruno Sammartino for the Italian-American fans in Boston during the 1960s?^[4]
- ALT11:... that Big Time Wrestling closed after its main star Frankie Scarpa died in the ring in 1969?^[10]

Comment: This nomination has been created pursuant to a request at WT:DYK

Moved to mainspace by 173.162.220.17 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:45, 4 June 2021 (UTC), with assistance from Sdrqaz.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: I can see a lot of work was put into this article, sourcing is quite amazing, definitely gives an insight into wrestling history. ALT#6 seems to be the most interesting hook, I am choosing this one. Aussie Article Writer (talk) 18:20, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Aussie Article Writer: I think I've done what you've requested; please check. Sdrqaz (talk) 18:14, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sdrqaz: excellent, love this article, I’ve chosen ALT#6 for DYK. Thanks for your efforts on this article (I disclose that I live a good wrestling article). - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 18:20, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reviewing (there were a lot of hooks to go through)! I didn't actually do any work for the article; just created the nomination page for 173.162.220.17 because they couldn't create it. My field of expertise is not wrestling at all.

Sdrqaz (talk) 18:31, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Though ALT6 is pretty amazing, it's also a fair bit over the usual length limit of 200 characters. Can we get an exemption here, and could we try trim the hook a little? (There's probably some excess words we can lose.) Vaticidalprophet 14:32, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll propose a couple of alternates later today. It's not my nomination, so I don't want to step on any toes, but the editor hasn't edited in the past few weeks. Sdrqaz (talk) 14:35, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Vaticidalprophet: I've proposed ALT6a above. Sdrqaz (talk) 17:54, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Vaticidalprophet and Sdrqaz: I’ve suggested ALT6b. Very close to Sdrqaz’s. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 10:29, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is ALT6b accurate? See User talk:Vaticidalprophet § Big Time Wrestling at Prep (permalink). It seems like it was the trainer/owner from Big Time Wrestling that put the sugar in the bear's mouth, not the police. Sdrqaz (talk) 14:33, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are correct in that its not correct. I think we should go with ALT6a. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 09:59, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Vaticidalprophet: Is there anything left to be done here? A bot's come a-knocking at my talk page. Sdrqaz (talk) 14:28, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, I'm lost myself on the question of whether this needs an additional reviewer to approve the new hooks before it can be promoted. Ask WT:DYK? Vaticidalprophet 14:32, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Approving hook ALT6a (but not ALT6b), and otherwise relying on Aussie Article Writer's review. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:13, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Jim Cornette (August 12, 2019). "Episode 103". Jim Cornette's Drive Thru (Podcast). YouTube. Event occurs at 1:00:15. Archived from the original on November 17, 2020.
^ Jim Cornette (August 12, 2019). "Episode 103". Jim Cornette's Drive Thru (Podcast). YouTube. Event occurs at 58:56. Archived from the original on November 17, 2020.
^ Greer, Jamie (February 4, 2018). "The Pioneers: Bearcat Wright – The First African-American World Champion". LastWordOnProWrestling.com. Last Word On Sports. Archived from the original on November 17, 2020.
^ ^a ^b Hornbaker, Tim (2015). "Chapter 13: The Most Valuable Territory". Capitol Revolution: The Rise of the McMahon Wrestling Empire. Toronto: ECW Press. ISBN 978-1770906891.
^ ^a ^b "Conversations: Les Thatcher". Georgia Wrestling History. March 2004. Archived from the original on December 19, 2005.
^ Jim Cornette (August 12, 2019). "Episode 103". Jim Cornette's Drive Thru (Podcast). YouTube. Event occurs at 1:00:35. Archived from the original on November 17, 2020.
^ ^a ^b ^c "Sugar Sweeter Than Liberty; Bear Captured -- Three Towns Relax". Boston Globe. Boston, Massachusetts. May 4, 1962. p. 1. Archived from the original on November 17, 2020.
^ Singelais, Neil (July 29, 1959). "Black Ozzie Wins; Lady Wrestler Faces A Burly Opponent". Boston Globe. p. 43.
^ "Is Jacqueline a threat to Fabulous Moolah?". Boston Globe. October 8, 1969. p. 19.
^ "Frank Scarpa". Online World Of Wrestling.

[1] Jim Cornette (August 12, 2019). "Episode 103". Jim Cornette's Drive Thru (Podcast). YouTube. Event occurs at 1:00:15. Archived from the original on November 17, 2020.

[2] Jim Cornette (August 12, 2019). "Episode 103". Jim Cornette's Drive Thru (Podcast). YouTube. Event occurs at 58:56. Archived from the original on November 17, 2020.

[3] Greer, Jamie (February 4, 2018). "The Pioneers: Bearcat Wright – The First African-American World Champion". LastWordOnProWrestling.com. Last Word On Sports. Archived from the original on November 17, 2020.

[hornbaker-4] Hornbaker, Tim (2015). "Chapter 13: The Most Valuable Territory". Capitol Revolution: The Rise of the McMahon Wrestling Empire. Toronto: ECW Press. ISBN 978-1770906891.

[les-5] "Conversations: Les Thatcher". Georgia Wrestling History. March 2004. Archived from the original on December 19, 2005.

[6] Jim Cornette (August 12, 2019). "Episode 103". Jim Cornette's Drive Thru (Podcast). YouTube. Event occurs at 1:00:35. Archived from the original on November 17, 2020.

[sweeter-7] "Sugar Sweeter Than Liberty; Bear Captured -- Three Towns Relax". Boston Globe. Boston, Massachusetts. May 4, 1962. p. 1. Archived from the original on November 17, 2020.

[8] Singelais, Neil (July 29, 1959). "Black Ozzie Wins; Lady Wrestler Faces A Burly Opponent". Boston Globe. p. 43.

[9] "Is Jacqueline a threat to Fabulous Moolah?". Boston Globe. October 8, 1969. p. 19.

[10] "Frank Scarpa". Online World Of Wrestling.

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