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Copyrights Permission Declaration from CEO of www.BhavsarSamaj.com

I Pravin Balaji Dhayfule permit Wikipedia to display contents taken from the community portal www.bhavsarsamaj.com for the sake of knowledge sharing across the World Wide Web, provided that the links referring to the Community Portal remains intact in the passage. Any claims or discussion regarding the Copyrights information should be mailed to Pravin Balaji Dhayfule <ceo@bhavsarsamaj.com>

Pravin Balaji Dhayfule CEO - www.BhavsarSamaj.com ceo@bhavsarsamaj.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhayfule (talk • contribs) 12:47 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Your license is unverifiable and the license terms come with strings attached, making them incompatible with Wikipedia. Your edits re-purposed the page into a WP:SOAPBOX that touted your website throughout the text. Those changes have been reverted. Please do not restore them. • Gene93k (talk) 18:03, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article should not be merged with Rangarez or Bhavsar(Marathi) article. The reason is, Gujarati Bhavsars and their culture is totally different then Marathi Bhavsars. Gujarati Bhavsars stays in state of Gujarat and have very little or no linkage with Marathi Bhavsars. Gujarati Bhavsars refer themselves as Vaishnav. On other hand, Marathi Bhavsars refer them as Kshatriya. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.89.37 (talk) 19:34, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that nobody is actually referring this article as a source of cultural knowledge, rather giving it a political diversion. What is Bhavsar? It stands for community formed by Bhavsingh and Sarsingh! Simple. The article originally was written for providing brief information about the community. This community is wide and has spanned across cultural and regional diversity. Its a pity that this community has been subject to various political diversions and regional Bhavsars have been creating the drift instead of bridging it. Other communities on contrary try to find their people and merge to form a single group.

We cannot change the mindset of the people in real word. But at least here in the world of knowledge, it is my humble request not to break up this gigantic warrior community and minimize it to small regional community groups. Wikipedia is a knowledge platform and not the platform for political warfare.

--- Pravin Dhayfule

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhayfule (talk • contribs) 04:45, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia articles are meant to reflect what sources meeting our criteria at WP:RS. It already has too much unsourced material and I have removed your edits. Dougweller (talk) 09:17, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mr.Pravin.

I appreciate your message but when it come to all india bhavsar kshatriya samaj , it has different languages and religious with the referal to the bhavsar people who got settle before independence of india so my request is to not separate by bhavsar people language and caste as bhavsar in tamil nadu speak tamil ,in AP bhavsar speak telugu and marathi bhavsar speak marathi. kindly request to first clarify.

Katare Gowrishanker Telangana — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.82.2.204 (talk) 12:04, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Trimming

I have just trimmed a lot of unsourced material from the article. The situation has gone on for far too long and people keep adding yet more unsourced content. Please consider WP:V and WP:RS before editing the article. - Sitush (talk) 18:39, 30 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I keep coming back in attempts to source this article and am repeatedly frustrated. I can see small amounts of many sources that mention them, especially regarding a dubious claim to kshatriya status and because of their folk art skills in terms of printing. There are also snippets that refer to Bhavsars who follow Jainism rather than Hinduism but I simply cannot get to the full works. I'm hoping that someone else can. - Sitush (talk) 13:16, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Revision to the Bhavsar Article

Hello everyone,

I am from the Bhavsar community and have learned about our rich history and cultural heritage from my grandparents. I would like to propose a revision to the current description of the Bhavsar community in the article. The current description is oversimplified and does not fully capture the depth and diversity of our community.

Current text:*

> Bhavsar is a caste of weavers, dyers, and printers.^[1]

I believe this description is overly simplistic and does not capture the rich and diverse history of the Bhavsar community.

Proposed revision:*

> The Bhavsar community has a rich and diverse history that traces its origins back to ancient times. The community is believed to have descended from the Kshatriya varna, the warrior class in the traditional Hindu caste system. The Bhavsar Kshatriyas, in particular, emphasize their heritage as ancient warriors who played significant roles in protecting and governing their regions.^[2]^[3] > >The Bhavsar Kshatriyas are known for their valor and martial skills. Historically, they were involved in various military campaigns and were responsible for the defense of their territories. Over time, socio-political changes led many Bhavsars to transition from their traditional roles as warriors to other professions.^[4]^[5] Despite this shift, the community continues to honor its warrior legacy through cultural practices and festivals. > >This historical narrative complements the next sections where the work done by Bhavsars, including roles as weavers, dyers, and printers, is detailed, providing a holistic view of their contributions over time.

The proposed revision provides a more comprehensive overview of the Bhavsar community's historical and cultural context. I believe this will enhance the reader's understanding and appreciation of the community.

I welcome any feedback or suggestions on this proposed revision. Let’s discuss and reach a consensus on this matter.

Thank you,

Alasrh

References:*

1. Shah, A. M. (2010). The Structure of Indian Society: Then and Now. Routledge. p. 175. ISBN 978-1-13619-771-0. 2. Ghurye, G.S. (1969). Caste and Race in India. Popular Prakashan. ISBN 978-8171542051. 3. Karve, I. (1961). Hindu Society: An Interpretation. Deccan College Postgraduate and Research Institute. ISBN 978-8121500856. 4. Desai, A.R. (1984). India's Path of Development: A Marxist Approach. Popular Prakashan. ISBN 978-0861314677. 5. Lynch, O.M. (1974). The Politics of Untouchability: Social Mobility and Social Change in a City of India. Columbia University Press. ISBN 978-0231038929.

The first major problem is that the introduction you propose does not define what Bhavsar is. The introduction needs to do that. —C.Fred (talk) 18:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Shah, A. M. (2010). The Structure of Indian Society: Then and Now. Routledge. p. 175. ISBN 978-1-13619-771-0.
^ Ghurye, G.S. (1969). Caste and Race in India. Popular Prakashan. ISBN 978-8171542051.
^ Karve, I. (1961). Hindu Society: An Interpretation. Deccan College Postgraduate and Research Institute. ISBN 978-8121500856.
^ Desai, A.R. (1984). India's Path of Development: A Marxist Approach. Popular Prakashan. ISBN 978-0861314677.
^ Lynch, O.M. (1974). The Politics of Untouchability: Social Mobility and Social Change in a City of India. Columbia University Press. ISBN 978-0231038929.

Bhavsar is General category not obc .. please improve your site otherwise I will complaint against you .. and how can you decide that bhavsar's are obc ??? Please check it

bhavsar is general cast category not obc 2402:A00:404:EFF3:7048:1B65:F308:1F8A (talk) 17:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Shah, A. M. (2010). The Structure of Indian Society: Then and Now. Routledge. p. 175. ISBN 978-1-13619-771-0.

[2] Ghurye, G.S. (1969). Caste and Race in India. Popular Prakashan. ISBN 978-8171542051.

[3] Karve, I. (1961). Hindu Society: An Interpretation. Deccan College Postgraduate and Research Institute. ISBN 978-8121500856.

[4] Desai, A.R. (1984). India's Path of Development: A Marxist Approach. Popular Prakashan. ISBN 978-0861314677.

[5] Lynch, O.M. (1974). The Politics of Untouchability: Social Mobility and Social Change in a City of India. Columbia University Press. ISBN 978-0231038929.

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