Talk:Bezpartyjni Samorządowcy

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On 30 March 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Nonpartisan Localists. The result of the discussion was moved to Bezpartyjni Samorządowcy.

centre-left?

I don't think this party is left-wing by any metric and no source ever called them that. I don't think two minor ex-SLD members joining them makes the party left-wing. Tomeka2 (talk) 09:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there!

I reckon it is a specific situation in that this party is too new to have been assessed by political scientists or such; given how the party is pretty minor, it might never will. No offense to the party of course, never seen a party that is more or less single-issue regionalist one, they might have some luck.

Few arguments for such position would be that the party did explicitly reject being right-wing and brought up its local coalitions with Lewica; other thing is that there are members of the party who explicitly called themselves (or the party itself) left-wing.

Lastly, we can take a look at their social views. I won't get into economics since PiS is called economically left-wing by some, which makes it a useless talking point... But on social issues, I think a case can be made for this party being centre-left. They did support the 2020 Women's Strike and went as far as saying that PiS is "on the wrong side of history".^[1] There was also a debate a few days ago (24 September), in which the committee of this party took part in. They said that "Poland should become a comfortable and good country for economic migrants", expressed their support for state funding of in-vitro programs, and when asked about abortion, the spokeswoman of the party said that it's "solely a matter for the woman. It is up to the woman to decide whether or not to have an abortion".^[2]

I believe that this would make a centre-right label plain wrong, and the "centre" label misleading. I reckon it could be something like "centre to centre-left", if it would make you feel more comfortable with it. Thanks! Brat Forelli (talk) 14:51, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for you answer. Perhaps we have a different understanding of the left- and right-wing split, but simply supporting at-will abortion or welcoming economic migrants is not leftist just yet. If you believe ex-Lewica members joining them is an argument to put them on the left side of the political spectrum, then consider Paweł Kukiz, Robert Gwiazdowski, and Marek Jakubiak -- all of which are textbook right-wingers and all at some point were part of the BS. Tomeka2 (talk) 18:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, thank you for your observations!

Oh, don't worry, I'd be the last person to suggest that a party or a politician being socially conservative disqualifies them from being left-wing, for example.

However, I do believe that supporting abortion on-demand and welcoming economic immigration would make it difficult for a party to be right-wing or centrist in Poland. They would have to be right-wing economically for example.

But their economic program does lean left - free lunches in schools, education voucher (PLN 100 per month per pupil), higher salaries for teachers.^[3] But something more ambitious is their plan for free public transport, which the party presents as an ecological solution too.^[4] So we can safely say they're not neoliberal at least.

Lastly, you brought these 3 right-wing politicians that were members of the party. Yes, but what differs them from these ex-SLD politicians is that all 3 of those whom you listed are no longer members of Bezpartyjni, while those SLDers very much are.Brat Forelli (talk) 00:08, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

we list PO as just centre-right and KO as Big tent, is BS really so "much" to the left of them? Braganza (talk) 08:50, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BS is not a left-wing party by any means and it probably can't be categorized as right-wing either because it's composed of people having mixed interests, but generally are conservative-liberal.

And they literally started co-operating with Confederation now, which is a far right coalition. Pingijno (talk) 20:36, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They did not, in fact. What you are referring to is Confederation registering a committee that implies such coalition without even reaching to BS about it.[1]

In fact, the party is suing Confederation for this.[2] Brat Forelli🦊 11:24, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Koalicjant PiS-u na Dolnym Śląsku szykuje uchwałę wspierającą protestujące kobiety". wroclaw.wyborcza.pl (in Polish). 26 October 2020.
^ ""Czas Decyzji: DEBATA". Pytania o aborcję, aferę wizową i polsko-ukraińskie napięcia". tvn24.pl (in Polish). 24 September 2023.
^ Katarzyna Witwicka-Jurek (27 September 2023). "Bezpartyjni Samorządowcy: program wyborczy i gospodarczy 2023". radiozet.pl (in Polish).
^ "Bezpłatne autobusy i koleje. Bezpartyjni Samorządowcy mają pomysł na wybory". portalsamorzadowy.pl (in Polish). 14 July 2023.

Requested move 30 March 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Bezpartyjni Samorządowcy. (closed by non-admin page mover) – Hilst [talk] 12:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nonpartisan Local Government Activists → Nonpartisan Localists – I suggest changing the translation of "samorządowcy" from "local government activists" to "localists" (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/localist). This would be more concise and probably more accurate to the original meaning – "samorządowcy" usually aren't really activists. CrimsonCube (talk) 00:03, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Bezpartyjni Samorządowcy. Why are we translating at all? The fact there is dispute about the translation shows that translation isn't usual. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Bezpartyjni Samorządowcy. I agree with Necrothesp, both the current and proposed translations just sound so odd, and there is no consistent translation used by english-speaking media, with coverage being scarce anyway as it is a marginal party. Brat Forelli🦊 17:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[1] "Koalicjant PiS-u na Dolnym Śląsku szykuje uchwałę wspierającą protestujące kobiety". wroclaw.wyborcza.pl (in Polish). 26 October 2020.

[2] ""Czas Decyzji: DEBATA". Pytania o aborcję, aferę wizową i polsko-ukraińskie napięcia". tvn24.pl (in Polish). 24 September 2023.

[3] Katarzyna Witwicka-Jurek (27 September 2023). "Bezpartyjni Samorządowcy: program wyborczy i gospodarczy 2023". radiozet.pl (in Polish).

[4] "Bezpłatne autobusy i koleje. Bezpartyjni Samorządowcy mają pomysł na wybory". portalsamorzadowy.pl (in Polish). 14 July 2023.

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