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Pranks

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For the episodes that have aired, only a few of the pranks have been added, and those that have, have not been accurate. We should be including either all of the pranks, or none at all. I just went through episode 3, and found 20 "pranks" in total. Even limiting the descriptions to a very brief account of what happened resulted in an episode summary that is well over what {{Episode list}} recommends. I don't see any benefit in including the pranks, so perhaps we should jsut leave them out altogether, rather than have this article reach gargantuan size just listing them. --AussieLegend (talk) 19:04, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it would be more appropriate to have an expanded section about the premise of the series? Perhaps something like, "In Off Their Rockers, various elderly people play practical jokes on younger generations. Betty White appears occasionally to..." etc. That would probably have to be expanded, but it could include examples of recurring themes or something. Of course, all of this is only to accommodate those that want inclusion of pranks. I don't really care either way, personally. Kevinbrogers (talk) 19:25, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I view it as any TV show article. Some are bare-boned articles (and have links to episode lists with details about them) and some are extremely too long (because that show doesn't make it past the first season). Perhaps a better summary should be titled "Pranks include:" and not all of them are listed, which is what I tried to do from Day One. IF all pranks are listed, they should not be in graphic detail as the third one has been grossly expanded into. My vote: all or nothing. A stub page with just a listing of episodes, dates, and ratings with no summaries. Or they get included. — WylieCoyote (talk) 23:11, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
We can't cherry pick which pranks we want to include and which ones we don't. The "|ShortSummary=" field is supposed to be, not surprisingly, a short summary of the episode and that means summarising the whole episode, not just a bit here and a bit there, which is what including only a few of the pranks does. Episode 3 has most certainly NOT been "grossly expanded" into "graphic detail". In fact the three pranks that were listed were cut from 372 to 301 characters. Adding the other 17 pranks, as we need to do if we're to summarise properly resulted in an average of 102 characters per prank, compared to 124 previously. Despite this, the bare-boned summary is still 83 words more than what {{Episode list}} recommends for a one-hour episode, which is why I suggested removing the summaries completely. The individual prank summaries in episode 3 are actually very brief:
  • An old man drives a car past people with another man stuck to the bonnet who is screaming at the driver
  • a man in a supermarket asks a woman how to tell if pineapples are good, then bowls the pineapple into several flower pots and screams "Touchdown"
  • A man with an oxygen tank starts a conversation with a woman, then breathes the oxygen, only to find that it is helium
  • a woman sits next to a man and asks him if he has a granny fetish
  • a woman asks a younger woman if she'll sign a petition demanding that only beautiful people have babies, then asks the younger woman not to have children as she is unattractive
  • an old man asks a younger man how long piercings take to heal, then indicates he has a piercing in his genitals
  • a man riding a motorised scooter pulls up next to two men and asks them if they valet, throws them his keys and walks away, telling them to wipe it down
  • an old woman at an airport, dressed as a stewardess sits next to a man and talks into her phone, complaining about passengers
  • a man sits down next to a girl, introduces himself, shakes her hand and then reveals a dermatologist believes he has a rare skin fungus
  • Two older woman ask a young girl which one of them Justin Bieber would choose
  • a woman in a motorised wheelchair asks a man to help her contact her son by phone
  • giving him an incredibly complicated number to call
  • two man in motorised wheelchairs joust over cheating at checkers
  • a woman in a supermarket approaches a man telling him she needs some eggs, but doesn't need twelve and proceeds to throw several eggs on the floor
  • a sleeping woman in a motorised wheelchair rides past several people
  • an old woman sits on a low wall pretending to breastfeed
  • an old man in a hospital gown and attached to a drip gets his saline bag topped up with alcohol by a waiter
  • an old man gets a woman to send a "sext" to his girlfriend
  • an old woman waiting for her grandson meets a young man with a passionate kiss and embrace
  • two old nuns abuse a waiter, yelling profanities after he spills their drinks
Still, I see no need to include any. "|ShortSummary=" is, after all, an optional field. --AussieLegend (talk) 23:53, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
According to {{Episode list}} that you like to cite, only the Title is required. The remaining fields are "optional", including the Ratings. I was just trying to prevent this article from being a stub. Frankly, I don't care what happens with the article as removing the summaries will give me more free time to ponder why articles like this are so long. — WylieCoyote (talk) 00:40, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. I pretty much reverted the page back to AussieLegend's April 6 edit. Enjoy only inserting the ratings each week from this point forward. — WylieCoyote (talk) 00:49, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing to ponder really. Instead of including episode summaries in List of Luck episodes, somebody has lumped it all into Luck (TV series) where there should only be a series overview. Typically the plot section of a TV series overview should be up to 500 words as a rough guide. 3,377 is excessively long. --AussieLegend (talk) 00:52, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't watch "Luck" but just added the ratings each week and watched the main page grow. Even if they broke it up into LoL Episode summaries, it would still be too long (3377 words/9 episodes). But the point I made is that "rules" don't get followed. And like I said in the Edit Summary for this article, you just can't "summarize" 50 pranks. If each episode was notable, I would do an article for each one. So far, the only innocent prank that I have seen that has upset the prankee is the one where the woman is told she shouldn't procreate because she wasn't pretty. Other than that, nothing is notable about this show, except for Miss Betty White. Like I said, it's reverted back your basic page so the "argument" is closed. Congrats! — WylieCoyote (talk) 01:20, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just because some people choose not to follow policy and guideline doesn't mean that it's OK for others not to do it. If a policeman pulls you over for speeding, try using the "that car was doing it so I thought it was OK" excuse and see where it gets you. We know that people don't follow the "rules" here; that's why each of us has to act as a policeman, making sure that articles are as they should be. BTW, there are 20 pranks per episode, not 50. --AussieLegend (talk) 07:27, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I knew you would correct me, that's why I said 50. I'm not a policeman, I do that enough at my JOB, which being a Wiki editor/contributor shouldn't be. The page has been reverted, as I said, so this discussion is closed, unless anyone else has anything productive to add? — WylieCoyote (talk) 20:50, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is the season concluded?

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NBC is not calling it "all new." Oh, for the days broadcasters had respect for the public! Then, when a repeat was scheduled they labeled it as a repeat. Now "new" can mean it was only shown previously this season so they had to invent the term "all new." I remember when a season had at least 30 shows, usually 39, now you are lucky to get 20. Article needs some filling out. A listing of the pranks could help. Also how about some reviews, are there any?--1archie99 (talk) 19:10, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand your question on the show being "new". They only showed twelve episodes in the first season from January 16 - May 23, 2012. Most new series don't get that many. Think of any first season as "test seasons". Unless the premise thrills any network, no series is going to be given 20+ episodes right off the bat. Cable premiere series only get 13 or so episodes a season. If the network is showing reruns billed as "new or all new", that's their problem, not Wikipedia's. As for the pranks to be listed in the article, please read the above topic. As for any critical reception, yes, most articles have those. Feel free to add them yourself. — WylieCoyote (talk) 03:09, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Change of series status

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I propose that this series be declared to officially over. Having visited the Lifetime website, the show is no longer listed, episodes are not available, and searching the website produces no results. So it looks like this one's over, folks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.33.121.48 (talk) 22:40, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Check the episode list page. Lifetime might've burned off the remaining 10 episodes, but they're airing. — Wyliepedia 05:13, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Production credits

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The production company for this show isn't Albert Enterprises, it's ALBETS ENTERPRISES. It's named by and for Allen Ludden and Betty White Ludden. Goofuskac (talk) 02:05, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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