Talk:Bethlehem Down

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GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Bethlehem Down/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: LunaEatsTuna (talk · contribs) 23:39, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

• That should be all! This was the first music-related article I have yet reviewed, so please bear with me. It was very interesting! I have left some comments below; ping me once you have addressed my concerns so that I may know when to reevaluate. Thanks, 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 00:08, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

  Hi @LunaEatsTuna, thanks for taking the plunge and reviewing a music article! You did a good job. I've addressed all your comments below, do let me know if you have anything further to add. Unexpectedlydian^♯4talk^‽ 11:21, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks for the support and the changes! I have reevaluated the article and could find no further concerns. I am now happy to pass this article for GA status. Congrats! 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 17:06, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Copyvio check

Earwig says good to go. The lyrics are in the public domain as a literary work; copyright expires 70 years after author's death and Warlock died 1930. Quotations used in-line with WP:COPYQUOTE.

Prose

• This article uses Barry Smith's full name a couple of times; just "Smith" should be find outside of his first mention in the lead and body, as he is the only Smith ever referred to in this article.
  • Thanks, I've fixed it.
• "by British composer Peter Warlock (1894–1930) (the pseudonym of Philip Arnold Heseltine)." – might be personal taste, but the parentheses right after other parentheses looks rather odd. May I recommend replacing the last set of parentheses with a single em dash instead?
  • Looks good, I've changed it.

• "again the following year by Winthrop Rogers (later Boosey & Hawkes)." – Sorry to nitpick, but I believe later is used for erstwhile things, and Boosey & Hawkes' Wikipedia entry suggests that it still functions. Recommend replacing with now instead.
  • Yep that's clearer, have changed.
• "especially for Arnold Dowbiggin to perform perform as part of" – duplicate word.
  • Fixed.
• "Chromaticism is used throughout the piece," – wikilink chromaticism.
  • Done.
• "Ian Alfred Copley writes that this is a common recurring motif in Warlock's music." – wikilink motif (music).
  • Done.
• "although Warlock was not religious and was anti-Christian, he liked the story of Christmas." – this could mean a couple of things; maybe wikilink nativity of Jesus to avoid confusion?
  • Good point, I've wikilinked.

Refs

All sources are RS. Given their prevalence, I decided to spotcheck all the refs citing Smith 1994a and Copley 1979, picking the rest at random. Refs 1, 2, 7, 9–13, 18–20 and 25 show no concerns—they all support the article's content. I had access to Smith 1994a and Copley 1979 via the Internet Archive, and ref 7 via bypassing the paywall.

Other

Infobox, external links, notes, navs, portals and cats all good.

• Add a WP:Short description.
  • Done.
• Recommend adding template:Use dmy dates.
  • Done.
• Recommend adding template:Use X English.
  • Done.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Are the lyrics still under copyright?

The lyrics included on this page are by Bruce Blunt, who died in 1957. Copyright would therefore normally not expire until 70 years after this date, which would be in 2028. Is there any known reason why this does not apply here? Redtilewombat (talk) 04:01, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

After some more research, I believe this is public domain in the US. It was published in 1927 and, according to https://imslp.org/wiki/IMSLP:Copyright_Made_Simple, "Any work first published before 1929 is in the public domain."

It will likely remain under copyright in the European Union, South Korea and Japan until 2028 as the lyricist died in 1957.

I believe the information given in the GA review above under "Copyvio check" to be incorrect.

I will leave the "copyright violation(?)" tag in the article for a more experienced person to review independently. Redtilewombat (talk) 09:02, 6 October 2024 (UTC)