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Bernie or Bust was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 8 August 2016 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Bernie Sanders 2016 presidential campaign. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

Legacy

I think it would be useful to provide a section on the legacy of the campaign. This campaign had a massive effect on the US political landscape. I believe every existing organization on the socialist left has grown exponentially since the Bernie campaign (aside from the ISO, which self-disbanded despite massive growth due to mishandling of a sexual assault). Democratic Socialists of America has grown more than tenfold since his campaign and is now a significant electoral political force, especially in New York. The American socialist magazine Jacobin now reaches 3 million online views each month. And even many moderate liberals have credited Bernie's campaign with massively shifting the current mainstream political debate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.27.98.114 (talk) 01:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The section on Bernie or bust includes the idea of staying home and not voting if Sanders was not the Dem. Party nominee. The citation references a headline, but there's nothing in the article that makes any reference to staying home. The organization behind the Bernie or bust movement never encouraged voters to stay home: Citizensagainstplutocracy: Climate Preservation or Bust That idea needs to be dropped. RAP Revolutionary (talk) 00:16, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Primary results

According to The Green Papers, Sanders placed second among all Democrats during the primary with 13,206,428 votes; however, not every state keeps track of the popular vote. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.2.38.14 (talk) 02:57, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Sexual harassment scandals

What about the appalling sexual assaults and general hostility perpetuated by Sanders (male) campaign staff at female staff and others? Surely you will say something of this. This site has catalogued every sexual controversy Trump's ever been involved in. 98.10.165.90 (talk) 01:06, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I concur that there should be mention of this issue in the article. The following articles describe the issue:

HopsonRoad (talk) 03:45, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done I have added a new "Sexual discrimination allegations" section under "Staff". HopsonRoad (talk) 22:26, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Whataboutism and WP:OR

The Bernie or Bust section includes a gratuitous reference to the 2008 general election, clearly implying a "Hillary or bust" vote similar to the "Bernie or bust" vote in 2016. This is inaccurate. Research shows that Democrats who picked McCain over Obama were most influenced by support of the Iraq War. Despite GOP efforts such as ClintonsForMcCain.com, voters who strongly supported Clinton were more likely than weak supporters of Clinton (and much more likely than supporters of other Democrats) to cast a vote for Obama over McCain. See 2010 Public Opinion Quarterly "Sour grapes or rational voting". It could make sense to include some of the research about past "sour grapes" voting under "Bernie or Bust"; it does NOT make sense to imply that 2008 = 2016. HouseOfChange (talk) 17:39, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is a relevant distinction in that Bernie or Bust voters were generally more left-wing or anti-establishment than most Hillary voters, and "PUMA" voters were generally to the right of Obama. It would be fair to re-word to highlight this distinction, and it also might be useful to compare this to other elections where similar polling data is available. That doesn't mean it is gratuitous or whataboutism, it's providing context for what it expected as a baseline in contentious primaries, even as an isolated data point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.27.98.114 (talk) 00:48, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]