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Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2022

The source for citation 312 doesn't include the quote it's a source for. I suggest changing it to https://slate.com/business/2015/11/bernie-sanders-defines-democratic-socialism.html

In defining what democratic socialism means to him, Sanders said: "I don't believe government should take over the grocery store down the street or own the means of production, but I do believe that the middle class and the working families who produce the wealth of America deserve a decent standard of living and that their incomes should go up, not down. I do believe in private companies that thrive and invest and grow in America, companies that create jobs here, rather than companies that are shutting down in America and increasing their profits by exploiting low-wage labor abroad."[312] Newunit13 (talk) 04:12, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done ––FormalDude talk 04:41, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Quotation puntuation.

Quoted sentences in this article seem to keep periods and commas outside of the closing quotation mark, something that is incorrect in American English. Personally, I wish we were like British English on this matter, but that's besides the point. Tayuro (talk) 19:39, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

That usage is not incorrect. If the quoted words do not include punctuation then the punctuation should go outside the quotation marks. Shearonink (talk) 20:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Infobox image

Per these two edits, [1][2] I think it should be made absolutely clear that there is nothing in Wikipedia policy that states that newer images are automatically preferred to older ones. In the case of a dispute, better grounds for a change will need to be provided - and we are very likely to consider the replacement with a clear image of the subject with one where he is wearing a mask to be entirely inappropriate, without very convincing reasoning.. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:15, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Intro

“Officially an independent, he is often seen as a leader of the democratic socialist movement.”

The democratic socialist movement *in the United States*? 130.74.59.67 (talk) 20:28, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

•  Done. Thanks for the note. Binksternet (talk) 21:18, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

What's the proper way to word this?

On the existing page: "Throughout his tenure in Congress, he has been listed as an independent. He caucused with Democrats in the House while refusing to join the party, and continues to caucus with Democrats in the Senate."

It is not possible to "join" a political party. One can seek a nomination (sponsorship) of a political party for the occasion of an election or series of elections but there is no "club" one "joins". That's also why a party cannot "expel" someone who chooses to identify with them, e.g. David Duke. In some (31) states a voter may optionally register with a political party "preference" but Vermont is not one of those 31 states, so it's not even possible to "join" in that sense.

The way this is worded serves to feed the ongoing false dichotomy of Duopoly as master of the universe and continues misrepresenting what political parties are. 192.34.130.205 (talk) 22:17, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

"Join" a political party is perfectly acceptable terminology, or we could change it to "register" since they're referring to voter registration. Re: the ongoing false dichotomy of Duopoly as master of the universe and continues misrepresenting what political parties are, see WP:RGW and the reality of America's two-party system. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:07, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

LGBTQ section

I believe that this section is very long compared to the amount of space we devote all of the other social positions. For example, all of the other positions have a total of nine and a half lines and yet the LGBTQ has its own section with eight lines. I copy it here:

He advocated for LGBT rights as Burlington mayor in 1983 and voted against the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act. In 2006, he indicated that the time was not right for legalizing same-sex marriage nationally, describing the issue as one that should be handled at the state level; but then in 2009, he supported the legalizing same-sex marriage in Vermont, which was enacted that year. In 2014, he signed a letter to then-FDA commissioner Sylvia Burwell requesting that the FDA revise its policy banning donation of corneas and other tissues by men who have had sex with another man in the preceding 5 years.

I am going to trim this and include it with the other social issues. Sectionworker (talk) 20:05, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Electoral History

Why is there no electoral history? Senate election in 2018? Trw340 (talk) 06:07, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

An overview of his major campaigns is provided in the introductory paragraphs. For detailed results, see the linked pages (ie. 2016 Democratic Party presidential primaries, 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries, etc.) Doughbo (talk) 01:23, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Affordable Care Act

POLITICAL POSITIONS: "He supported the Affordable Care Act, though he said it did not go far enough.[citation needed]"

This seems to be an inaccurate statement. There is no record of Bernie openly criticizing the ACA is such a manner, and the only online sources claiming such seem to be wholly unaffiliated with Bernie himself. This statement is likely nothing more than the sentiment of a few, independent persons.

Should we remove this from the article? Doughbo (talk) 01:20, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't believe he's said it didn't go far enough per se, but he's proposed further healthcare bills and replacements for it, implying the statement (which may be synthesis).

Medicare for All is the name of his policies - https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/03/politics/medicare-for-all-annotated/ comes to mind.

A source I've found is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb6XA9XS_ic - an interview with Seth Meyers regarding protecting Obamacare while expanding Medicare for All. Couruu (talk) 15:37, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

In fact, to quote from that interview, "the affordable care act is not good enough - we have got to do more". 15:38, 13 June 2023 (UTC) Couruu (talk) 15:38, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your research. I've added your source to the article without changing the body text, citation complete with quotation. Doughbo (talk) 18:43, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

He is the younger brother?

The antecedent is a female. What is intended here? 2600:4040:25B5:BE00:985B:B72D:898B:CE91 (talk) 05:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Bernie's mother, Dorothy Sanders (née Glassberg) (1912–1960), was born in New York City.[9][10] He is the younger brother of Larry Sanders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:4040:25B5:BE00:985B:B72D:898B:CE91 (talk) 05:58, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Proposed infobox image

Proposed infobox image replacement

Thoughts on this 2023 image to be the new infobox image? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:10, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

I think it will work well. Good quality and more updated. Wikisteveb4 (talk) 21:39, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Not a bad image replacement. I'd support. --2601:249:8E00:420:CEA:384E:4544:5F98 (talk) 19:39, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Why does Wikipedia not call this communist politician "far-left" in the introduction...

while smearing certain Republicans "far-right"?? This person spent his honeymoon in the Soviet Union, an anti-American, communist state which killed millions of people. 80.131.50.252 (talk) 23:30, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

What reliable sources refer to Bernie Sanders as "far left"? – Muboshgu (talk) 23:39, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Senator Sanders' resolution seeking additional information regarding Israel's human rights record in West Bank

According to Al-Jazeera, "Amnesty International has thanked progressive US Senator Bernie Sanders for introducing a little-used “privileged resolution” seeking information on Israel’s human rights record in the occupied Palestinian territories amid the war in Gaza."

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"According to reports, Sanders’s resolution is privileged, which means he can force the Senate to hold a vote and if the resolution is passed, the US State Department has 30 days to respond with a statement on Israel’s human rights practices."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/12/15/israel-hamas-war-live-us-shifts-tone-but-says-israel-support-steadfast

The privileged resolution was not specified, but is consistent with a Section 502B(c) request.

Section 502B of the Foreign Assistance Act (FAA) prohibits security assistance to “any country the government of which engages in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights.” 22 U.S.C. § 2304(a).

Any member of Congress can introduce a single-chamber resolution requesting a report from the Secretary of State regarding human rights or other concerns in a particular country. See 22 U.S.C. § 2304(c). Such a resolution is privileged in the Senate according to the expedited procedures of the International Security and Arms Export Control Act (ISAECA).

If the Secretary of State fails to provide a report within thirty days, “no security assistance shall be delivered to such country except as may thereafter be specifically authorized by law from such country unless and until such statement is transmitted.” 22 U.S.C. § 2304(c)(3). After receiving a 502B(c) report from the Secretary of State, Congress may “adopt a joint resolution terminating, restricting, or continuing security assistance” to the country in question. 22 U.S.C. § 2304(c)(4).

This resolution would represent unprecedented oversight action by a U.S. member of Congress into Israel's human rights record, in connection with which federal aid to Israel may be rescinded if human rights abuses are found.

Therefore, I request that it be added to the article especially given the months long, high profile news coverage and historical value of the Israel-Hamas conflict, the resolution's potential ramifications in US-Israel relations, and possible change in U.S. policy rooted in explicitly applying Section 502B and 502B(c) legal provisions to make foreign aid to Israel conditional and contingent on abiding by applicable human rights laws.

Biolitblue (talk) 03:25, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Sanders Defense of Crime Bill

His actual defense of the Crime Bill back in the day was because he thought the country needed more jails and needed to be tougher on crime. That's what he said then, and ought to be presented rather than what he said afterthe fact when his position became unpopular. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/26/politics/sanders-1994-crime-bill-kfile/ 2604:2D80:B50E:5100:584C:E496:377:9E81 (talk) 13:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Early life/Father Elias Sanders/Holocaust

The use of the conjunction 'although' in the sentence "Elias Sanders […] became a paint salesman, although his family was killed in the Holocaust" does not make any sense. And even after reading through the two references, I cannot find out what exactly is actually meant by the sentence. The Kurt F. Stone, "Jews of Capitol Hill" source claims that "[h]is father […] had emigrated from Poland at age seventeen after (sic!) his family had been wiped out in the Holocaust", which is obviously false, and the quote should be deleted IMHO. Elias Sanders emigrated in 1921, when there was no Holocaust in sight. There is obviously no causal relationship between the Holocaust and his emigration. A more detailed account of his immmigration history and his travels between Europe and the U.S. can be found in this article. The npr.org source OTOH reads (a bit incoherently) "Sanders' father's family was mostly wiped out during the Holocaust, and his father was a struggling paint salesman", without providing specifics for the fate of his family and the identity of the persons in question. Elias Sanders' core family (wife, children) lived in the U.S., and at least his mother died years before WW2 (in 1934). Although there is (speculative) information about a half-brother being killed, AFAICT nothing is known about other siblings. IMHO the Holocaust reference should be removed from the chapter's first paragraph and left to the second paragraph, where it more generally refers to 'relatives' in Poland. Mottenkiste (talk) 13:08, 7 August 2024 (UTC)