Talk:Berlin Trilogy

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Stylus Staff (7 August 2006). "England Fades Away: Stylus Magazine's Guide to Goth". Stylus Magazine. Archived from the original on 2 June 2009. Retrieved 4 January 2023. David Bowie begat several disparate strands of music which blossomed into subgenres once his followers appropriated them for their own ends. Goth was one: the sepulchral baritone of Diamond Dogs and the Berlin trilogy rumbled beneath the desiccated landscapes created by The Mission U.K., Fields of the Nephilim, Sisters of Mercy and, most famously, Bauhaus.

Orphaned references in Berlin Trilogy

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Reference named "Bowie: An Illustrated Record":

From Santa Monica '72: Roy Carr & Charles Shaar Murray (1981). Bowie: An Illustrated Record: p.116
From Lust for Life (album): Roy Carr & Charles Shaar Murray (1981). Bowie: An Illustrated Record: p.118
From Low (David Bowie album): Roy Carr & Charles Shaar Murray (1981). Bowie: An Illustrated Record: pp.87–90
From "Heroes" (David Bowie album): Carr, Roy; Murray, Charles Shaar (1981). Bowie: An Illustrated Record. pp. 91–92.
From Scary Monsters (And Super Creeps): Roy Carr & Charles Shaar Murray (1981). Bowie: An Illustrated Record: pp.108–114
From The Thin White Duke: Carr, Roy; Murray, Charles Shaar (1981). Bowie: An Illustrated Record. New York: Avon. pp. 78–80. ISBN 0-380-77966-8.
From "Heroes" (David Bowie song): Roy Carr & Charles Shaar Murray (1981). Bowie: An Illustrated Record: pp.90–92
From David Bowie (1969 album): Roy Carr & Charles Shaar Murray (1981). Bowie: An Illustrated Record: pp.28–29
From Station to Station: Carr & Murray (1981): pp. 78–80.
From David Bowie (1967 album): Roy Carr & Charles Shaar Murray (1981). Bowie: An Illustrated Record: pp.21–25
From Major Tom: Roy Carr & Charles Shaar Murray (1981). Bowie: An Illustrated Record: pp.109–116
From Lodger (album): Roy Carr & Charles Shaar Murray (1981). Bowie: An Illustrated Record: pp.102–107
From Golden Years (song): Roy Carr & Charles Shaar Murray (1981). Bowie: An Illustrated Record: pp.75–80
From Kraftwerk: Roy Carr & Charles Shaar Murray (1981). Bowie: An Illustrated Record: p.92
From Aladdin Sane (song): Roy Carr & Charles Shaar Murray (1981). Bowie: An Illustrated Record: p.54

Reference named "The Complete David Bowie":

From Station to Station: Pegg (2004): pp. 297–300.
From Ziggy Stardust: The Motion Picture: Nicholas Pegg (2000). The Complete David Bowie: p.320
From "Heroes" (David Bowie song): Nicholas Pegg (2000). The Complete David Bowie: pp.90–92
From Lodger (album): Nicholas Pegg (2000). The Complete David Bowie: pp.310–312
From Aladdin Sane (song): Nicholas Pegg (2000). The Complete David Bowie: pp.20-21
From Santa Monica '72: Nicholas Pegg (2000). The Complete David Bowie: p.338
From Diamond Dogs: Nicholas Pegg (2000). Op cit: pp.289-291
From Low (David Bowie album): Nicholas Pegg (2000). The Complete David Bowie: pp.302–306
From David Bowie (1969 album): Nicholas Pegg (2000). The Complete David Bowie: p.257
From "Heroes" (David Bowie album): Pegg, Nicholas (2000). The Complete David Bowie. pp. 307–309.

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Orphaned references in Berlin Trilogy

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Reference named "Strange Fascination":

From Low (David Bowie album): David Buckley (1999). Strange Fascination – David Bowie: The Definitive Story: pp. 299–315
From Lust for Life (Iggy Pop album): David Buckley (1999). Strange Fascination - David Bowie: The Definitive Story: p.451

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Reviewer: Tkbrett (talk · contribs) 12:48, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What a cool page. Excited to tackle this one. Tkbrett (✉) 12:48, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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At the conclusion of the Isolar tour on 18 May 1976, Bowie and his wife Angela moved to Switzerland, although the two would rarely spend time there. This sentence is teasing us; where were they spending their time?

It makes more sense on the Low page but not here so removed that.

Only one instrumental composed for the soundtrack saw the light of day, evolving into "Subterraneans", later properly recorded for Low. "saw the light of day" seems a little encyclopedic to me.

Reworded

In the Background section, you refer to "Hansa Studios", piping that link to Hansa Tonstudio. Later on, you refer to "Hansa by the Wall". I take it these two are the same studio? Is there any reason you use different names?

They actually aren't. According to both Pegg and Seabrook Low and Idiot were mixed at Hansa while LfL and "Heroes" were done at "by the Wall". It definitely confused me at first. Seabrook labels "by the Wall" "Hansa Studio 2" so it was my assumption that they were in the same area, rather one was directly across from the Berlin Wall (hence its name). – zmbro _(talk) 20:22, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, very confusing. The Hansa Tonstudio page says "Hansa by the Wall" was a former nickname for the studio, citing this 2021 Irish Examiner article. The German Wikipedia also includes these names („Studio by the Wall“ oder „Big Hall by the Wall“) albeit uncited. Perhaps they were just different studios within the same building, similar to how Abbey Road Studios has a Studio One, Two and Three.

That's my main assumption. – zmbro _(talk) 20:50, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... guitarist Robert Fripp, formerly of the band King Crimson, who was recruited at Eno's suggestion. Bowie recruited him, correct? If so, we can write: ... who Bowie recruited at Eno's suggestion.

Done

... set in pre-Holocaust Berlin. A bit strange, since the Holocaust did not occur in Berlin, but mostly in Poland. I'm not familiar with the film, but perhaps "post-World War I" or "pre-World War II" would perhaps make more sense? Unless the Holocaust somehow features into things.

I recall the film being described as "pre-Holocaust Berlin" but I can change it to "pre-World War II" – zmbro _(talk) 20:22, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some of its musical textures, particularly on "African Night Flight",[101] have been cited as presaging the popularity of world music. "have been cited": by whom?

Fixed

The page is well cited. All the images are PD, except for the album covers, which all instead have an appropriate fair use tag. Copyvio gives a score of 31% (violation unlikely).

Great stuff as always. You really nailed WP:SUMMARY style here. Tkbrett (✉) 19:51, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tkbrett Thanks for the kind words! I definitely tried my best :-) – zmbro _(talk) 20:22, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Pass given the above fixes. I'd appreciate if you could look a little more into the Hansa Tonstudio/Hansa by the Wall issue, since I imagine it would have an impact on several other pages. Anyway, like I said, great work! Tkbrett (✉) 20:48, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]