Talk:Beriberi

funk didn't crystallize thiamine

this page: http://chemistry.gsu.edu/glactone/vitamins/b1/ says that Funk didn't in fact crystallize thiamine from rice hulls, but instead probably nicotinic acid. anyone know enough about this to say?

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I thought that nicotinic acid was thiamine. thefamouseccles 02:38, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Never mind... nicotinic acid is niacin, not thiamine. thefamouseccles 02:43, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== In desBVYHTGF786RBDEDSVBH This article is in very desperate need of cleaning up. However, I shall leave this to the pros.

Clarification needed...

...on a whole heap of statements made on this page. In particular, though, the following statement is entirely meaningless without some sort of sourcing and context: "One in every twenty people were found to have at least a mild case of Beriberi. The data were gathered in a 2000 study by the National Institute of Health Mental division." Who? Where? How big was the sample? etc etc

I'm going to clean up the article a bit, but it could do with a lot of help from someone who actually knows something about the subject Tpth 04:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Just made a few edits to improve the prose, but have no expertise to offer, sorry. Moilforgold 02:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

EDIT It has been my medical training that the administration of glucose to patients suffering from thiamine deficiency can precipitate an acute deterioration in condition, and potentially lead to Korsakoff's. I have therefore deleted " Additionally, administering glucose will provide the patient with a temporary boost, while their body recovers." from the article, as misleading and potentially dangerous information. ^ Zimitat C, Nixon PF (1999). "Glucose loading precipitates acute encephalopathy in thiamin-deficient rats". Metab Brain Dis 14 (1): 1–20. doi:10.1023/A:1020653312697. PMID 10348310. http://www.kluweronline.com/art.pdf?issn=0885-7490&volume=14&page=1.

Discovery and A.G. Vorderman/Christiaan Eijkman

I'm afraid I can't really help improve this article, as I have next to no knowledge of the disease or the history of the discovery. However, I have just been watching a very interesting programme on BBC HD in the UK. British TV broadcaster and personality Carol Vorderman was featured in a show called "Who Do You Think You Are?" which researches the genealogy of selected British celebrities.

In the programme, they discovered that her Great Grandfather, A.G. Vorderman was involved in the discovery of vitamin B1, thiamine deficiency and beriberi disease. A.G. Vorderman was the Inspector of the Civil Medical Service in the Dutch East Indies in 1987. He was responsible for discovering that prisoners in the Dutch East Indies ate polished (white) rice, which was lacking vitamin B1. This was responsible for widespread cases of Beriberi.

Christiaan Eijkman was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1929 for his work (with research from A.G. Vorderman) for the discovery of what would later be called vitamin B1. For somebody who is interested in researching this subject and improving this Wikipedia entry, these two links may be of use: http://nobelprize.org/educational_games/medicine/vitamin_b1/eijkman.html http://www.jameslindlibrary.org/trial_records/19th_Century/vorderman/vorderman_translation.html ...in addition to some of the comments that were broadcast in the programme I have just watched (if anybody is interested in watching the relevant parts!). Sibruk 22:25, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Class

I degraded this article class because it doesn't seem to quite meet B class standards. It has very little inline citation and provides very little information other than a very brief, basic outline of the information. 134.84.5.21 (talk) 20:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC) - Forgot to log in, downgrade and recent changes by me. Schu1321 (talk) 20:41, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Also: The claims about Simiao, the Chinese physician who supposedly identified the cause and correct treatment need to be improved. The references link to publucations repeating tertiart or worse sources. Can we a get a quote from his writings? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.153.89.104 (talk) 22:09, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

And what about Citreoviridin related Beri Beri

For those who never heard: Citreoviridin, a potent mycotoxin from penicillium citreo-viride and some fusaria, seems to interfere with Thiamin, occurs in polished rice ...

I see I should add an chemical article about Citreoviridin but someone should add this here, too. Anyway, Citreoviridin IS mentioned in the German version of the beriberi article.

AbuAmir (talk) 17:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi, actually I am trying to improve https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriberi

Unfortunately I have no access to the fulltext of the two publications below.

Can anybody help? I would appreciate it very much. Please contact me via https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:Sti --Sti (talk) 05:40, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

1. Food Addit Contam Part A Chem Anal Control Expo Risk Assess. 2012;29(4):694-703. doi: 10.1080/19440049.2011.651750. Epub 2012 Feb 8. Co-occurrence of aflatoxins B₁, B₂, G₁ and G₂, ochratoxin A, zearalenone, deoxynivalenol, and citreoviridin in rice in Brazil. Almeida MI1, Almeida NG, Carvalho KL, Gonçalves GA, Silva CN, Santos EA, Garcia JC, Vargas EA. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22316345?dopt=Abstract

2. Food Addit Contam Part A Chem Anal Control Expo Risk Assess. 2010 Feb;27(2):241-8. doi: 10.1080/19440040903289712. Production of citreoviridin by Penicillium citreonigrum strains associated with rice consumption and beriberi cases in the Maranhão State, Brazil. Rosa CA1, Keller KM, Oliveira AA, Almeida TX, Keller LA, Marassi AC, Kruger CD, Deveza MV, Monteiro BS, Nunes LM, Astoreca A, Cavaglieri LR, Direito GM, Eifert EC, Lima TA, Modernell KG, Nunes FI, Garcia AM, Luz MS, Oliveira DC. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19802756?dopt=Abstract

Criticism

I'm certainly not an expert, but my understanding is that polished rice was an introduction from the West.

"In Asia, where polished white rice (milled rice that has had its husk, bran, and germ removed) was the common staple food of the middle class, beriberi resulting from lack of vitamin B1 was endemic. In 1884, Takaki Kanehiro, a British-trained Japanese medical doctor of the Japanese Navy, observed that beriberi was endemic among low-ranking crew who often ate nothing but rice, but not among crews of Western navies and officers who consumed a Western-style diet."

It seems to me the article blames "oriental" culture and eating habits among the poor for beriberi, rather than acknowledging imperialism and poverty as the root causes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.178.227 (talk) 00:45, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Criticism of criticism

No, that's just how you read it through the eyeglasses of political correctness. And nowhere is "oriental" (a non-PC term) mentioned in the entire article. Seems you have a bad case of "PC". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.199.149.225 (talk) 20:07, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Fixed

I rearranged these sentences during copyediting, which may delink the implied criticism. --Molly-in-md (talk) 12:26, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

"More footnotes" tag

After copyediting, I added a "more footnotes" tag. There are some good references in the "Bibliography" section that would benefit the article (example: the news article about beriberi in Haitian prisons). I will return to address this tag if I have future time, but others should feel free to incorporate additional info/references from the bio section as they can. --Molly-in-md (talk) 12:22, 10 July 2013 (UTC)