Talk:Bentall Centre, Kingston upon Thames

Requested move 10 June 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Bentall Centre, Kingston upon Thames. (closed by non-admin page mover) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 13:58, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

---

The Bentall Centre → Bentall Centre, London – There are two problems with the current name. First of all, we do not include the definite article "The" in article titles except in very specific circumstances. I don't see that they apply here, as its own website and logo (see here) refer to it as "Bentall Centre". Secondly, there are two Bentall Centres as far as I can tell: This one and Bentall Centre, Vancouver. Since this is English Wikipedia, and not British Wikipedia or UK Wikipedia, it is also read by people in Canada and they are probably more likely to be searching for the one in Vancouver, so this one should have some form of disambiguation, and London would be appropriate. Elshad (talk) 11:11, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

• Support move to Bentall Centre as agreed "The" shouldn't be used, The second arguement is meaningless - no evidence has been brought forward stating why this should be moved other than "we're not British or UK Wikipedia", I have since added a fore template to the article so as such there's no reason to move. –Davey2010^Talk 11:21, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support Bentall Centre, Kingston upon Thames - Wasn't aware this was originally moved, My original arguement's now moot so if anyone wants to move this back I have no objections. –Davey2010^Talk 18:07, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 15:02, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support Bentall Centre, Kingston upon Thames. Kingston is part of Greater London, but it's not really London. It's still effectively a town in its own right. See Category:Buildings and structures in the Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames and its subcats, which use this form for individual buildings. I note that the article was at Bentall Centre, Kingston from its creation six years ago until it was moved without discussion in April. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:07, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
  • My preference is for London as Kingston *is* part of London, and has been since 1965. This is also the form of disambiguation used for other London structures like St Mary's Hospital, London (not Paddington). Elshad (talk) 15:36, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
    • Totally different situation. Paddington has always been a district of London. Kingston used to be part of Surrey; in fact, it was the county town of Surrey. And it still identifies as a separate town, just as towns like Barnet, Harrow and Orpington, which are also now officially part of Greater London, do. Kingston also has its own postcode, whereas Paddington has a London postcode. As I said, look at the category. Why should this be an exception? -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:41, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
      • Ok, on further reflection I would be fine with a move to Kingston upon Thames Elshad (talk) 19:05, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support Bentall Centre, Kingston upon Thames per Necrothesp and per the original undiscussed page move, without which we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. (Although someone would hopefully have since then moved it to distinguish this Kingston from any other.) ——Serial ^# 15:41, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support not clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC as they intended so it can create a dab page for two articles. 182.1.229.147 (talk) 01:48, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.