Talk:Benny Lefebvre

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Review: August 20, 2022. (Reviewed version).

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A fact from Benny Lefebvre appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 11 September 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Benny Lefebvre had three sons who signed professional baseball contracts and four brothers who played football?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Benny Lefebvre.

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Benny Lefebvre/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 02:29, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:29, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The image is appropriately tagged and has a decent FUR. Sources are reliable.

The article is only 1,170 words, and about 10-15% of them are quotes. There are about twenty quotes, many of which could be paraphrased quite easily. This is overquoting; I think the quotes need to be significantly reduced before I can pass this as a GA.

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:51, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Could you show me what quotes you think need to be removed/rephrased? Thanks. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:38, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's not any particular quote, it's the total number and size of them. Any one of the quotes would be fine if it were the only one you used. I think you should cut out more than half of the quotes you have, both by number of quotes and number of words, but it doesn't matter particularly which ones you pick. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:36, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I now count 10 sentences with quotes. Is that low enough or do you want me to trim the quotes further? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:41, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's much better; thanks. I'll read through again now. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:44, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good; passing. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 03:59, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Benny Lefebvre had three sons who signed professional baseball contracts and four brothers who played football? Source: Hough, Denny (October 6, 1949). "On The Sports Trail". Evening Vanguard. p. 9 – via Newspapers.com. ("Benny Lefebvre, player-manager of the Spoilers, is one of five brothers who have been playing football in Los Angeles for the past 31 years.") and Morrow, Mike (June 22, 1977). "Benny: Baseball is his narcotic". The Redondo Reflex. p. 8 – via Newspapers.com. ("He's been coaching for 32 years now, had three sons sign professional contracts, and continues to act as a sort of professor to anyone in need of help.")
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/List of National Football League career punting yards leaders

Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:06, 20 August 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Pending a review from me. Howard the Duck (talk) 01:22, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a newly-promoted GA, so this doesn't have problems. All we need is a QPQ review. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:22, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Howard the Duck: Quoting from WP:DYKR: The fact that an article has been accepted as a Good article should not be considered an assumption that the article meets these criteria. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:43, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - @RoySmith: Of course. I reviewed the article already and is just waiting for the QPQ. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:27, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      - This was filed sans QPQ 15 days ago. The submitter has several dozen DYKs, so they should be familiar with the requirements by now, and is actively editing so they should be aware of the status here. Is there some reason this shouldn't be closed as "incomplete" per WP:DYKCRIT? -- RoySmith (talk) 22:32, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        Sorry for not getting a QPQ yet. I forgot I hadn't put one in yet. I'll try to review one now. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:37, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        @Howard the Duck and RoySmith: I have reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/List of National Football League career punting yards leaders. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:58, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Article is...
  - new enough, nominated hours after passing WP:GA.
  - long enough, passes the eye test.
  - within policy; is neutral, cites sources with inline citations, and Earwig didn't find copyvios. I'm unsure with with the rather liberal red-linking though. Is his brother Everett truly notable? AFAIK, U.S. high schools are not disambiguated as "Murphy High School (California)"; there's a good chance you may have missed it if the article exists. These aren't items that fail a nom though, so this still is okay.
- Hook is...
  - short enough, passes the eye test.
  - content is good enough; sporting families exist, but not usually on multiple sports.
- Other requirements are met: QPQ is done, and there are no images to review.
- Howard the Duck (talk) 23:09, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Spotchecks

BeanieFan11, I realized after I promoted this to GA that I hadn't done any spotchecks. I just did a couple:

FN 24 cites "In 1940, Lefebvre briefly played at the three-quarters position in rugby union for the Los Angeles Spoilers (also known as the Spoilers Athletic Club)": the source doesn't give the alternative name for the club, so I would cut that or source it separately.
FN 37 cites "In 1955, Lefebvre was named head football coach at Pius X High School in Downey, California": this doesn't say where the school is. That would be OK if we had an article on the school we could link to; as it is I think it has to be cited.
FN 27 cites "Lefebvre returned to the Spoilers football team in 1941, and was described as a triple-threat player by the Southwest Topics-Wave": this doesn't say that it was 1941 when Lefebvre returned to the team.
FN 32 cites "He had previously served as head coach of the Spoilers in 1946": verified.
FN 19 cites "In 1936, Lefebvre played for the independent Hollywood Stars, coached by Clark DeGroot": verified.
FN 6 cites "He also scored a touchdown in a 45–0 win over the Riverside Athletic Club": verified.
FN 36 cites "He also served as playground supervisor at Rancho Cienega Playground in Los Angeles." Verified.

Minor issues with the first three; can you fix these? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:58, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mike Christie: Added ref for the first. For the second, the link in the article is to "Pius X High School (Downey, California)," so I don't think a ref is necessary (although I am sure I could find one if required verifying the school being in Downey). Rewrote the third. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:14, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good, thanks for the fixes. For the high school I was looking at the tool output and didn't realize there was a link, so you're right that's fine. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:20, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Brothers and sons

I can guess that one of the sons is Jim Lefebvre who I remember played major league baseball. But although the lead of the article refers to the brothers and sons, not one of them is named. Wastrel Way (talk) Eric Wastrel Way (talk) 13:40, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]